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  • AG Aaron Ford and 43 other state AGs filed suit against Teva Pharmaceuticals and 19 other generic drug makers. [News3LV]
  • The US Supreme Court is allowing an antitrust suit to go forward against Apple regarding its app store. [Las Vegas Sun]
  • Governor Sisolak signed SB 32 into law making available (on the Nevada Department of Taxation website) a trove of information about marijuana licensees and the process for how the license are awarded. [KOLO]
  • Nevada Regents take advantage of the $2,500 NSHE “hosting accounts” to wine and dine various people–sometimes family, sometimes campaign donors, and sometimes Boyd law professors. [RJ]
  • Have you heard the story of the man who has been on death row for the second longest amount of time in Nevada and why he is called the “most dangerous man in Nevada?” [News3LV]
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May 13, 2019 4:07 pm

This comment was left on Friday: "The grads are loaded that Rosen is speaking at the commencement. I am not walking, because she is there."

Dear Anonymous UNLV Law Grad,

Congratulations on your graduation. Completing law school is a major accomplishment. It reflects a tremendous amount of hard work by yourself over a long period of time. It is also a reflection on the investment others have made in you. I do not know your circumstances specifically, but I assume that your graduation has been made possible in part by parents, professors, teachers (from K to JD), family members, friends, mentors and perhaps a spouse or a partner. Your graduation is an accomplishment for them as well.

That's part of why I would like you to reconsider your decision to not participate in the graduation ceremony. May 17 (graduation day) is just too important to be sidelined for your distaste for a particular politician. She will not know you didn't attend, and frankly won't care. Your absence will not move the needle even in the slightest on even the most trivial policy issue. But your absence will prevent you from savoring this moment with friends, future colleagues, professors and others.

I didn't vote for Jackie Rosen. I also didn't vote for Donald Trump. But I a disturbed by the growing trend of some who refuse to participate in ceremonial or social events based upon some moral objection to the politics of a participant. For decades, it was a great American tradition and honor for professional and collegiate champions to visit the White House and meet the President. I loved this tradition of celebrating American champions. But now, because everyone is so god-damned self righteous and so insistent on making every fucking moment political, this tradition is gone. Personally, I think Donald Trump is an amoral clown. But if I were on a championship team, I would absolutely insist on going to the White House to meet the President. Because it is an honor, that I, as a champion, would have earned and a tradition that is bigger than myself.

As an attorney you will have to work with individuals who find repugnant and repulsive. Some will be colleagues in your firm, others opposing counsel, some clients and maybe even some of the judges you appear in front of. You won't have the option of simply not showing up in protest. Our nation is losing the ability to co-exist with people who are different than we are, who think differently and act differently. At an increasingly and alarming rate, we seem to attribute every disagreement and every difference to some irredeemable moral failing by those who see things differently than we do. True personal morality has nothing to do with your opinion about some political issue and everything with how you treat those around you. If you want to radically change the world, make a personal commitment to be kind and honest to all that you interact with, to be a fierce advocate for the marginalized and to be an officer of the court with integrity.

Again, congratulations on your graduation. It is both an end and a beginning. The end calls upon you to respect yourself and those who helped you get here by attending graduation. The beginning invites you to be present even though you, for whatever reason, are repulsed by Jackie Rosen because you have decades of work that will require you to interact with people not of your choosing.

Sincerely,

A member of the bar and future colleague.

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Anonymous
May 13, 2019 4:10 pm
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Hopefully they read this and hopefully they grow up a little as a result.

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Anonymous
May 13, 2019 4:28 pm
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PS. And I'm sorry you're not a Boyd '13 grad, but go ahead and still give life your best shot.

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May 13, 2019 4:49 pm
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If the poster does not want to be at their graduation, that is their right. It is moral to stand up for what you believe in. I am repulsed by Jacky Rosen.

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May 13, 2019 5:05 pm
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Welcome to a miserable profession filled with stress filled days and sleepless nights. You will hope and dream that the insurmountable student load debt you have accumulated will be worth it one day. It isn't.

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May 13, 2019 5:21 pm
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9:49,

10:19 here. I don't disagree with you that it's his/her right to make this decision. I did not argue to the contrary. If some authority figure were to attempt to force him/her to attend against their will, I would find that to be unacceptable.

My argument isn't whether it is her/his right. Rather, my argument is that not walking is selfish, immature and pointless. If you would like to engage the actual argument I have made, I would love to hear your response.

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Anonymous
May 13, 2019 5:22 pm
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Sorry, not 10:19. I am the original poster, 9:07 AM. Typo. My bad.

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May 13, 2019 5:59 pm
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10:05 AM: Maybe you should consider a different profession. I actually enjoy my work. So obviously, people's mileage may vary.

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May 13, 2019 6:14 pm
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It is not immature and selfish to stand up for what you believe in. I am not going other, because of Rosen. Her and Harry Reid have been crammed down our throats for the past two years.

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May 13, 2019 6:15 pm
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Either

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May 13, 2019 6:49 pm
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Lol if people are really boycotting walking because of a bland centrist like Rosen they are in for a fun awakening when they get into practice. Snowflakes melt in the real world.

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Anonymous
May 13, 2019 7:12 pm
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@10:59: Easier said than done. I'm handcuffed by student loan debt and my undergraduate degree is useless.

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Anonymous
May 13, 2019 7:13 pm
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Meh, 11:49, meh. Have a snow cone.

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Anonymous
May 13, 2019 7:15 pm
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I think 9:19 is missing the whole point in saying that it is moral to stand up for what you believe in and that Rosen is repulsive. And the other posters, such as 9:07 and 10:21 and others, have stressed in detail that if 9:19 thinks that this act of petulant and extreme immaturity is a "principled stance" we have some real questions about 9:19's world view and ability to function in a profession largely built on making a living each minute of each day opposing someone you really disagree with on something.

No one is asking someone to sit through a speech where someone extolls the virtues of ethnic cleansing countries or a speech about making really late term abortions work for everyone.

Here, there is simply no principle involved. It is merely someone of a different political party than 9:19. Rosen is a democrat and 9:19 apparently is not. But these speeches are so general, bland and generic("this is not an end, but a beginning. Be ready for the challenges ahead and strive to make a difference and help build a better tomorrow for everyone…") that it is usually virtually impossible to tell the political leaning of the speaker.

And in a case where I am wrong, and the speaker does embrace a certain political and philosophical inclination, don't worry…yow will survive it.

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May 13, 2019 7:23 pm
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Hey 11:14, since you have not figured this out yet, the reason why Boyd affilliates with retired politicians like Reid and Sandoval is that they bring in money to the school. That Biden fundraiser for Boyd's 20th anniversary brought in over $700K for Boyd scholarships, and Biden would not have come if Reid was not affiliated with Boyd. It's not like Boyd is making you take Con Law from Reid, so get over it (and avoid walking by the other UNLV buildings named after Reid).

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May 13, 2019 7:45 pm
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12:23. Why are you so hostile and insulting? This is a free country. Reid and Sandoval are not responsible for the law school. To say so is laughable. Fuck Reid.

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May 13, 2019 7:55 pm
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Law school graduates are not attending their own graduation because an elected official that is a member of a different political party is speaking? Good luck finding a career in law that has zero connection to lawmakers, and where everybody agrees with your personal political views. If you do have to deal with somebody with different political views than your own, just quietly avoid them, that will show them. Go ahead and mention that you protested Senator Rosen by not attending your own law school graduation in your upcoming job interviews. I am sure that any experienced attorney will be impressed with your bravery.

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May 13, 2019 8:01 pm
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Wow, we have very many judgmental, 'successful" attorneys with a lot of time on their hands. I would gladly hire any of the above grads, because they do not swim in the Boyd school of law fish.

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May 13, 2019 8:08 pm
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Um 12;45, who said that "Reid and Sandoval are responsible for the law school." They are not, they have just raised some money for the school. I apologize if you found this news hostile and insulting.

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May 13, 2019 8:14 pm
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1:08. stop being so nasty. You should be proud of your ties to Reid. He is such an upstanding man.

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Anonymous
May 13, 2019 8:22 pm
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All these pro Reid posts are evidence of what is like at Boyd. All we care about is money, and we do not care about anything else. Sorry to see how Boyd has been relegated to that.

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May 13, 2019 8:41 pm
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I am a parent of a jd candidate at U of A. If my son did not want to walk, I would be fine with that. It is sad to see that Rosen supporters are so vitriolic if a graduate does not want to walk. Grow up.

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May 13, 2019 8:47 pm
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Hi 1:41.

I'm the OP. I did not vote for Rosen, and it's difficult for me to see a circumstance where I would. Let's keep the issue framed accurately. The criticism isn't coming as a defense of Rosen, but as a criticism of the solipsistic behavior of some UNLV law grads. As someone who is involved in hiring at my firm, if I found out a job candidate did not attend graduation because of a political figure they disagreed with, I would judge them to be a fragile snowflake and they probably wouldn't get hired.

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May 13, 2019 8:51 pm
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1:47, sure. I would not want to work for you. Cfa, you are.

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May 13, 2019 8:54 pm
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I wish I had voted for Heller. I am glad to see Reid helped Cadish and Carmen Gilbert get jobs at UNLV.

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May 13, 2019 9:06 pm
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Biden likes to put his hands on women, but I am glad UNLV law raised a lot of money because of him.

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Anonymous
May 13, 2019 9:40 pm
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To: 1:41. 12:15 here. I don't think that me, or most of the other posters, are some great Rosen supporters.

As far as I'm concerned, the politician speaking, or their political party, is interchangeable for the point we are making. To boycott a momentous event in one's life, merely because you disagree with the political views of a speaker, just does not seem to make a lot of sense. Perhaps if the speaker was really advocating something really immoral or horrific, I would understand. But most of the time, it's just the same stale platitudes regardless of who the commencement speaker is.

You say it would be fine if your son did not attend on account of not liking the politics of the speaker. Does this mean he should elect not to accept a case if he disagrees with the opposing lawyer's views? Or better still, should he avoid teaming up with co-counsel whose views he disagrees with? Should he not accept a job with any firm if it includes democrats who support Rosen?

You may say I am comparing differing things, but he may need to work with a Democrat Rosen-supporting lawyer at the same firm on a rather consistent, daily basis. If he's willing to do that, he can certainly sit through a lame ass 20 minute commencement speech which probably includes far more clichés than any discernable political positons.

Oh…sorry I forgot how the logic works in this situation. He can work each day on a close basis with democrats(because, after all, he will need to) but if one of those same attorneys gave some generic brief speech at some Bar luncheon, your son's morals would dictate that he boycott the event or storm out of the room if he is already there?

When your son is set to graduate U of A, I pray that you both recognize what a wonderful, once-in-a-life time momentous event it is, to mark not just your son's incredible work, but his hopefully incredible future. If your son decides he may not want to walk on account of who the commencement speaker is, I hope you please talk him out of boycotting it.

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May 14, 2019 1:34 am
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In reading about conservative students objecting that Rosen is a graduation speaker this year, as a liberal I'm feeling like I should've been way more outraged that the speaker at my law school convocation was a prominent Republican politician, although he was an attorney. Maybe the outrage, if any is warranted, should be directed at the fact the speaker has no apparent connection to the legal community. Well, none other than, you know, she's a United States Senator and helps to make the law.

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Anonymous
May 14, 2019 6:00 pm
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Prestigious Boyd '13 alum here. Hold your applause.

I'm a no-good dirty lib and I sat through a speech from Gov. Sandoval at our ceremony. It was fine. Then I just went on and kept living my life.

The day a law school has to book two speakers from opposite sides of the aisle because of snowflakes who can't handle a platitude-filled speech from a politician is the day the Nazis win.

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May 14, 2019 7:57 pm
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All the people railing against Boyd naming Reid as a Distinguished Fellow – whatever that is – conveniently leave out the fact that Sandoval and Judge Bybee are also fellows. Huh.

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May 14, 2019 10:49 pm
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11:00. Wrong. That's the day the Russians win.

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Anonymous
May 14, 2019 11:45 pm
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Bybee and torture. Reid and being corrupt, plus allowing banks to steal homes. The one I don't get is Sandoval. What did he do wrong?

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May 13, 2019 5:53 pm

Why are the students upset she is the commencement speaker?

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May 13, 2019 6:18 pm
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For the same reason others would be upset if Pence or Trump was the commencement speaker. I'd prefer Pence or Trump over Rosen, but I graduated from Boyd quite a while ago and am benefiting from the present improvement in the economy. I'm also not someone who would refuse to walk even if Rosen, Reid, or even Clinton was a speaker.

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May 14, 2019 6:45 pm
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Nobody gives a shit if you walk or don't. If you don't want to walk, don't. If I was graduating now instead of over 20 years ago, I wouldn't walk unless I WANTED to hear the speaker. I don't care for Rosen and I hate graduation commencements. So, you choose which reason I try not to attend them.

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May 14, 2019 8:55 pm
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11:45 AM,

Tellingly, your comment uses the pronoun "I" six times in just 59 words. As noted repeatedly throughout this discussion, graduation isn't just about the graduate. Nor is graduation the singular accomplishment of the graduate. My spouse made tremendous sacrifice for me to attend and graduate from law school. The day belonged to her as much as it did to me. It belonged to my parents who sacrificed for twenty years to give me opportunities and guidance. It belonged to my professors, who mentored me. It makes me sad that so many people can't recognize that none of us accomplishes anything by ourselves. It's not about you.

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Anonymous
May 14, 2019 9:45 pm
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Wrong! MAGA now! MAGA forever!

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May 14, 2019 10:58 pm
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1:55,

It belongs to the students. It belongs to their families. It belongs to the professors. You know who it doesn't belong to? The Donor of the Day being presented an Honorary Degree of Whateverthehell and the political types the administration is trying to suck up to.

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May 13, 2019 6:28 pm

Lovely to see Regents and law professors be swarmy. I feel so good about UNLV law right now. Reid and Rosen are the cherry on top.

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May 13, 2019 6:49 pm
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Rappoport can recall UNLV business was discussed over her nearly $400 dinner for two, but she recalls nothing else? Me smells three day old oysters, sweetie. If I am on tax payer money, I eat a $1.58 Costco dog.

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Anonymous
May 13, 2019 7:54 pm

Huge precedent related to Nevada. United States Supreme Court just struck down Franchise Tax Board v. Hyatt and ruled that one state cannot be sued in another state.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2019/may/13/supreme-court-says-1-state-cant-be-sued-in-another/

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May 13, 2019 8:06 pm
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The more interesting part of the decision big picture (other than the Nevada side that originated a decade ago in front of Jessie Walsh) is the tete-a-tete in the Opinions regarding the value of stare decisis.

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May 14, 2019 2:30 am

Petulant… The "walk" celebrates your effort, sweat and tears. Put your ear buds in when Rosen is speaking, then enjoy your day. You have earned it. After 30 years I still remember my graduation, but I don't have even a vague recollection of the speaker.

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May 14, 2019 4:08 pm
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I missed mine because I had kids, a working spouse, and a job across the country from my law school, and I could not wait the two weeks after the end of finals to walk. It's something I always wished I could have done.

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May 14, 2019 6:48 pm
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I walked for undergrad and for law school. Got nothing out of either, except the praise and kudos I didnt need from my parents and my wife. It was definitely more for them than me.

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May 14, 2019 9:04 pm
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this

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May 14, 2019 9:58 pm
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Jimmy Carter spoke at mine when he was President. The audience threw peanuts.

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May 14, 2019 11:17 pm
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Graduation is more for friends and family.