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After four hours yesterday, the jury in the Robert Telles trial resumes deliberations today. Will they be swayed by the new theories raised in closing? Was it actually hair, sunglasses and a hoodie, a wig? Was the sawdust actually pieces of the hat and if so, why didn’t they offer proof? Is the DNA evidence really insurmountable? Will the DA’s office be victorious or will Draskovich achieve the previously unthinkable? Stay tuned. [8NewsNow; TNI; KTNV–Here’s the Clark County Courts stream if there is any action.]
If the hair ain’t there, a guilty verdict ain’t fair
If the killer uses shampoo and conditioner, my client cannot be made into a prisoner
Larry David would be loving this.
Larry David and Curb Your Enthusiasm once got a wrongfully convicted man off murder. They had film of the guy at a Dodgers game because they were filming an episode there; therefore he had an alibi. Seriously, not joking. Look it up!
https://collider.com/curb-your-enthusiasm-prison-juan-catalan/
There’s a great documentary on this case. I believe on netflix
“If Rob made chicken fried rice, don’t think twice, you must acquit.”
“If it was a professional hit, you must acquit.”
If the chicken and rice were fried, innocence can’t be denied.
With his DNA under the nail, you must send him to jail.
Planted
By a conspiracy involving two detectives, the CSI cree, the entire crime lab, Compass Realty, Wolfson and two employees of an obscure county office, all to kill a man who was no threat to any of them to frame a man who had already been defeated.
Imagine if Telles never trotted out this ridiculous story and just allowed Draskovich to proceed on the “not him” defense.
The Shaggy defense.
Wad’nt me”
He didn’t say they were all involved. He said he couldn’t say. He was stuck in jail for two years. so how could he assist with the investigation? He couldn’t. He did not grow hair, so it was not him. No fake hair wig pieces found in his car or on his clothes or in his house. cut up basket weave hat never tested to see if it matched pieces in gym bag – all this means – reasonable doubt. if you ain’t got air, you got nothing but air
The lawyer in me wants Draskovich to win. The human in me wants Rob to rot in prison for the rest of his life.
There’s a tiny part of me that wants a not guilty verdict just to see the pandemonium that breaks out.
With that being said, I still hope they come back with a guilty verdict.
Bobby wins no matter what.
He can’t lose.
If it’s a bald head, guilty will be read.
2500 people watching the Live (empty) feed on YouTube waiting for a verdict.
3200 now.
3770
I couldn’t quite put my finger on why Hamner’s closing felt so familiar, yet annoyed me so much. Someone yesterday said he made himself a character in the closing, which is true. But it was more than that. I would bet Hamner did high school debate. His close felt so much like a close in CX or LD debate. “I argued this, and the opposition failed to respond/explain.” If you did high school debate you know what I’m talking about. Instead of the question being, “Did Rob Telles murder Jeff German?” It was “Did Chris Hamner get the best of Rob Telles?”
Now, that said, Hamner did a great job. I loved the “one more thing” / “where are you?” line of questioning. Good stuff. I don’t like his style, but he’s a fucking rockstar to the trial watchers who make comments online.
I’m not a fan of his style, that being said I think as attorneys we can become a little removed from the non-lawyer perspective.
Clearly, what he does works – given the online comments.
9:13 AM here. Yes, absolutely. About 40% of my non lawyer friends think he’s not guilty.
I noticed everyone on twitter and in the live chats on youtube LOVE Hamner
Did someone count how many times he used the word “like” in his closing?
Sound and effective with a lay jury. Talk to me like I am seven.
As a state champion in high school debate (I also once scored 4 touchdowns in high school), you are exactly right. It was the “They did not respond to my counterplan” which came across tinny. Hamner gloated about how well he did on cross-examination when the question is about Jeff German and Rob Telles, not about him. His rebuttal was the weakest of the closings. If his moral indignation was directed in favor of Jeff German rather than at Telles not answering his questions, it would have been more effective.
“I also once scored 4 touchdowns in high school”
Uncle Rico?
Al Bundy
Al Bundy wasn’t doing CX at Polk High, haha.
Be Honest, you never lettered in shit.
Draskovich did an A+ job of distracting the jury from the DNA and Telles’s bizarre testimony.
I was likewise most impressed with jettisoning his entire testimony and instead focusing on what he could ethically argue was actual evidence.
Which tells you how vociferously Draskovich told Telles not to testify. Telles made Draskovich’s job that much harder to have to work around.
Draskovich was SO good that it would have been hard to convict without Telles opening his mouth and sinking the ship.
How many lawyers have been convicted of murder? How many lawyers have been convicted of murder in Nevada?
Chip Centofanti says hello.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2004/apr/16/eisenman-killing-called-ambush/
How many lawyers have been convicted of murder? How many lawyers have been convicted of murder in Nevada?
How many lawyers have been convicted of murder? How many lawyers have been convicted of murder in Nevada?
When your thoughts are so good you have to post them three times.
Didn’t mean to and couldn’t delete the extra ones.
I’m just giving you a hard time :p
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We can make this a Telles only thread but I do have to comment on something that happened this morning. Went to order a transcript in bankruptcy court and the court reporting agency on their website asked me how much additional I would like to pay as a tip. No. Just no.
That’s wild.
What you don’t want to ensure all the words are spelled correctly?
That’s a pretty nice transcript. Would be a shame if we lost it.
If there is straw in the bag and deleted calls, in prison you better be ready to suck some big balls
Meh. Prison rape is never funny.
I agree. I understand the schadenfreude of wishing not well to people who have committed crimes. But rape is a crime of violence. Nothing funny about rape.
Humor is a great stress reliever
*George Carlin enters the chat
We can do this after the verdict too. But, pre-verdict, rank the lawyers.
1. Weckerly.
2. Draskovich
3. Hamner.
But they were all awesome and an argument can be made for any one of them to be No. 1.
I’d switch Draskovich and Weckerly.
I think it was an absolute masterclass by Draskovich.
Given what Draskovich had to work with, he did the best. Took small shots where he could. The closing ignored the bad evidence.
The state was good but Draskovich is number 1, by far, regardless of the verdict.
Draskovich number 1.
Not even debatable (IMO)
Justice for Horvath.
I would bet money Horvath was the one to zoom in on that video and provide the only potential “reasonable doubt” of that supposed hair.
Let me tell you another thing I like about Draskovich. He didn’t act like a hype man in media interviews. He was always circumspect and humble – “This is a hard case.” And that was all he said. I ran into him last week in the parking garage across from the RJC (next to the Catholic Church). I told him I thought he was doing a good job with challenging circumstances. He was extremely humble and gracious. Easy to root for a guy like that.
Have known him for years. Definition of a regular guy who just happens to be an exceptional lawyer.
Is anyone able to find the Court TV stream for today?
I don’t think CourtTV has started their stream. Here is the stream for Law&Crime Network.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPe8Uj5rgps
Thank you!
CourtTV has started its stream but is just broadcasting commentators until the verdict comes in.
Every hour that ticks by is a better and better sign for Telles…
If it rolls over to tomorrow I’ll agree, but 5 hours on a two week televised trial isn’t a sign of anything
Former prosecutor and defense attorney here. This murder investigation by METRO was the very best of the best. No murder case is ever investigated like the German murder. The resources they put into it was incredible because it was so high profile. METRO Homicide spent so much time and effort. Despite that there were holes and issues. The Detective collected hundreds of surveillance videos along miles and miles of routes. A run of the mill murder case would never receive this much attention. This is why they say it is like getting away with murder because the evidence is just not there. Without a confession, it is often hard for the state to pin the donkey.
What are the biggest holes/issues?
The issues raised in the defense closing. No confession by the defendant. No murder weapon. A confession denies an acquittal. The police are the best at getting defendants to confess.
Are they still the best at getting confessions when the defendant is aware of his rights and a bright spotlight is on the case?
Failure to test the wood in the bag to tie it to the hat. Or maybe they did and it was negative. The photo and video of killer with hair. The forgetfulness of who secured the hands. The investigator of rob telles getting involved in a murder trial.
It’s proof beyond a reasonable doubt and there is a lot of doubt.
Also – why would he dispose of some evidence but not all. Makes no sense.
That is easiest to explain away (although Prosecution didn’t). The orange vest and murder weapon are huge and obvious. Those are easy to dispose of at Planet Fitness. The hat is huge and obvious; it had to be reduced to a smaller size before disposal. The Nikes are his athletic shoes to get into Planet Fitness; those are to get chopped up after he gets to Planet Fitness.
The withholding of exculpatory evidence vis a vis the testing of the hat fragments?
I just dont think so.
I find it concerning that they did not come back with a conviction within 2-3 hours after beginning deliberations. Are we looking at an 11-1 holdout?
11:08am – tell me you’ve never done a murder trial without saying it
Bottom line –> no matter how overwhelming the evidence is, these jurors are not taking their job lightly. This is a good thing. Perhaps their consciences are telling them to thoroughly examine the evidence before putting a man in prison for life. Rushing to a verdict in a murder trial to please anonymous online bloggers or “make a point” is likely not on their mind.
Looks like another jury question is coming.
Horvath looks like the Mini-Me version of Draskovich.
For months, many of the comedians who contribute to this blog have cracked wise about how easy it would be to convict Telles. Not that funny now, is it? Draskovich gave Telles the chance at aquittal that none of you clowns saw coming. Reasonable doubt is a tough standard.
Who said that? I’ve been reading on here for months that Telles’ 4D chess would leave Wolfson crying in his pad thai.
Jury wants a second laptop to review digital evidence. Jury wants side-by-side walking comparison video used in closings. Jury wants exhibit numbers related to German articles.
The side by side of Telles walking and the alleged murderer walking may not be part of the evidence.
Holy shit. How could that be possible?
Wait a second. I am in fact the guy who is saying he’s never tried a murder case without saying he’s never tried a murder case. But I’ve tried lots of cases. This doesn’t sound like demonstrative evidence to me, and how can you go showing video to the jury if it isn’t in evidence? Clearly I’m missing something but I’m sure I will be instantly corrected.
Because it was a demonstrative exhibit created for the purpose of closing arguments. Because it’s edited it can’t be admitted as evidence itself.
The underlying videos are evidence. Just not the side-by-side creation
It was NOT part of the evidence. It was Closing Argument which is not evidence.
Jury just asked to see the side by side walking video that was used in the state’s closing. That cant be good for Telles.
Rob looks defeated.
It could be interpreted as trying to convince holdout juror(s).
Except wasnt the answer “No” because Closing is not evidence?
So are the walking videos in evidence or not?
The video of Telles walking in the office was in German’s article.
The Court said “Obviously the Closing Statement is not evidence.” So the answer is no.
However that does not stop the jurors from running the respective exhibit videos themselves next to each other. So the jurors could run the German videos and the Mogg videos next to each other themselves.
Yeah Leavitt was referring specifically to the side-by-side from closing, but the jury can still review the individual videos
Honestly I rewatched Hamner’s closing side-by-side “walking” video. I guess I am not a good observer of gaits. Inconclusive to me.
same
Jury wants a second laptop to review digital evidence. Jury wants side-by-side walking comparison video used in closings. Jury wants exhibit numbers related to German articles.
Not just the articles, but the videos contained in those articles. Sounds like they are comparing what he said in those to the lies that were exposed in trial. He is cooked.
It’s Joever.
There was discussion that the side by side walking videos were only part of the state’s closing. Is the jury getting the side by side. I could not hear all of the side bar discussion.
Both videos are in evidence separately I believe, but the side by side video from the state’s closing isn’t.
Correct. So they will have to find those particular exhibits and then let the jury run them side-by-side themselves.
Then Rob is done. It was those videos that convinced me it was Rob. Many other people had the same experience. Rob has a very distinct gait.
Wouldn’t an imposter trying to frame him also try to mimic his distinctive gait?
So the theory is (if I got this right), a skilled assassin, studied Telles, studied German, imitated Telles’ gait, knew that Telles left his phone at home and would not respond to texts, stole his vehicle while he was…where? had time to break into his house and plant evidence and somehow stole Telles’ DNA and planted it on German without leaving any of his? What is this Mission Impossible? Was it Tom Cruise?
A truly skilled assassin would do all of those things if the goal was to 1) commit the murder and 2) make it look like Telles did it.
What is the longest that you have ever waited for a jury to come back? Civil or criminal?
Criminal. 3 full days of deliberating.
What is most noteworthy jury question you have ever received? I had a case that we were Plaintiff’s counsel. Jury had been out around 8 hours over 2 days. We got the dreaded call that there was a jury question so we trudged down to the Courthouse.
Jury question: can we award Plaintiffs more money than they asked for in their Closing?
Worth the schlep to the Courthouse.
On a totally different legal topic: There’s a townhome community near Boulder Highway Henderson that is getting totally shafted. Somerset Park has apparently had issues with it’s private water distribution system. Henderson had to do an emergency repair and sent a notice to all the residents that the failed water system needs repair, the HOA says it doesn’t have the money for a repair, so the water is getting shut off on September 10. No water = no fire hydrants, so all the residents will need to leave. According to a comment on the vegaslocals subreddit, the current management company is claiming the previous management company stole most of the community’s money.
Get the popcorn.
vegaslocals subreddit is…. interesting.
How many lawsuits will this set off? HOA members against the HOA board members for breach of fiduciary duties and other claims, the HOA against the former management company for the same. The HOA board might be compelled to levy special assessments to pay for the repairs. Sounds like there might be reserve fund violations lingering here, too. It’ll be an expensive mess to clean up.
Will one of the crimlaw homies explain the immediate aftermath of a mistrial in this case?
The state would immediately announce the intent to retry and request bail remain the same. Draskovich could argue for bail based on the mistrial but Telles would likely remain in custody pending a new trial date.
I can’t do this again. LOL.
I could.
In other news, Los Angeles jury finds Tom Girardi guilty of stealing $15m from clients.
He’s 85 and a quasi vegetable. I’m glad they convicted him, but this isn’t exactly justice.
I may be the only one, but I don’t think Telles testimony was all that hurtful.
Yes, he is deluded and unhinged. But, the main takeaway from his testimony was that there’s a conspiracy against him and he is set up.
Initially, I could not see how that could possibly be helpful. But then Draskovich showed the infamous hair photo at closing. That may have some jurors actually believing that he was set up…
(For the record, I don’t believe there was a set up at all and I think Telles is guilty as hell)
Does anyone have a theory for where Telles disposed of the weapon and the orange shirt?? And why did he NOT dispose of everything (i.e. shoes and hat) at the same time?
I think he was going to dispose of everything separately because all of those things found in one place would be more suspicious
I don’t think Telles was counting on being under the spotlight so quickly after the murder. The R-J was staking out his property not long after the murder was publicly announced. Telles was caught washing his cars only 4 days after the murder, the search and arrest warrants were executed the day after that.
Dispose of the things that have blood on them in one location.
Dispose the hat/shoes later in another location – just needed to find a better place to trash them that wouldn’t be found.
But where??! Planet Fitness?? And if he was already under Metro surveillance why were they not watching him on the day of the murder?
This was answered during the trial. They try not to surveil on back to back days. The day of the murder was just one of the days they weren’t surveilling him.
Thanks, I missed that part.
Real convenient… Totally supports the framing.
That is easiest to explain away (although Prosecution didn’t). The orange vest and murder weapon are huge and obvious. Those are easy to dispose of at Planet Fitness. The hat is huge and obvious; it had to be reduced to a smaller size before disposal. The Nikes are his athletic shoes to get into Planet Fitness; those are to get chopped up after he gets to Planet Fitness.
Planet Fitness seems obvious
When did Metro become aware he was at PF on the date of the murder? Did NO ONE call after the fact to report seeing him there? My chosen workout place knows my name and definitely knows each and every time I am there. Was there any testimony regarding how often he went to PF in the months prior to the murder?
There was testimony that he was actually a member of the Decatur and Meadows location but used his “black pass” at the one by his house.
Did you watch the trial? They talked about this
I have a life and a job and didn’t watch every single minute…
My non-lawyer friend’s speculation is that Telles purchased identical outfits. Believes Telles changed at the gym into identical clothes and disposed of the clothes at a commercial dumpster by the gym.
On the way home he probably tossed them in a separate bag (in the duffle bag) because they were the items primarily covered with blood. Probably kept the shoes because he planned poorly and needed shoes to walk and kept the hat to ward off against any additional cameras he might come across in the process. He should have immediately burned the shoes and hat, or got showered up and moved them to a second dump site, but he was too focused on creating his alibi by running directly to the gym after having already “gone for a walk.” Shower in a public gym. Wash off the remaining DNA and blood. I suspect the car never really had much blood in it to begin with because most of the bloody items were moved to the plastic bag and never made contact with the car.
or maybe he was framed. it is not him in the car.
It was him getting out of the car. It is him walking around the neighborhood. It is him in the car in a hoodie or wig or a hat. It is him driving home. Unless you told me his wife is driving the car, it is him.
Did yall see Telles’ cut finger? There’s no way he cut that himself making dinner.
Wasn’t the cut on his left hand? That is significant to me. There were no injuries on his stabbin hand, which is where you’d typically find them.
I literally cut the tip off of my thumb in June chopping onions. Bled like a sieve and took weeks to heal. Still do not have all the feeling back in the tip. Looks exactly like Telles finger.
I agree with you that it seems more like a cooking cut with it being on his left hand. Stabbing someone to death typically causes injuries on the dominant hand because the hand will slip onto the blade and cut the inner palm, of which Telles had no similar injuries.
Unless you are using off arm to stabilize/immobilize your victim in which case the non-dominant hand is often in the path of stabbing.
The killer was wearing gloves. That has to matter right?
The cut on his finger was to the top of his ring finger… Try to imitate cutting vegetables for stir fry and cutting the top of your ring finger and not cutting the surrounding fingers. It doesn’t make sense. Thumb makes sense bc there aren’t other fingers blocking it and your thumb would be holding the onion right by the blade.
Have you seen that video of Kendall Jenner cutting a cucumber??! I can’t assume how anyone would cut a vegetable after that lol.
How many Kendall / cucumber jokes can I make … let me see …
Oh, I don’t know. When I cut, I use the knuckles of my holding hand to hold the food. I suppose if I was super careless, I might be able to injure the top of the ring finger.
Did using the word ‘literally’ add anything to that sentence? Or was it superfluous?
111 here.
It was superfluous, admittedly.
Did using the word ‘admittedly’ add anything to that sentence? Or was it superfluous?
111/139 here. More redundant than superfluous, IMO.
Look closely at the nail, that is not a cut. That nail was ripped and broken off.
He also had long fingernails… which could be over-extended/break in a life or death struggle.
On the live chat they’re discussing who will play various parts in the movie. I say Gollum will play Telles.
They are going to animate it and have Will Ferrell’s Megamind play Telles.
You win the internet today.
Getting a second day of jury deliberation in this case makes Big D the best defense attorney in Nevada.
Listen to Henry Fonda. He knows what he is talking about.
This worked for Junior Soprano, although I don’t think he even had to pay the juror off.
Baby (Girl, I know you wanna show, da-na, da-na)
That thwack-th-thwack-thwack-thwack (Ugh)
I like it when the beat goes (“Da-na, da-na”)
Baby, make your booty go (“Da-na, da-na”)
(Girl, I know you wanna show, da-na, da-na)
That thwack-th-thwack-thwack-thwack (Ugh, any)
–The Thwack Song.
Been a few hours since the last jury question. I assume by now the jury has used both laptops to compare the gait of Rob Telles and the killer in the two videos.
Still no verdict.
At this point I assume that there are some holdouts that are refusing to cast a vote for guilty – and are unlikely to do so at any point.
I’m predicting a hung jury.
where was the expert testimony on his gait? I’m sure they spoke with a consultant. never produced at trial because it’s not a match. everyone looks like everyone else, you see what you want to see.
If there is a mistrial, is Telles smart enough to realize he should not testify again?
If there’s a mistrial, it means Telles’ testimony was so persuasive and powerful that it shook the jury
(at least, that’s what I assume he’ll think)
Interesting point: He voluntarily testified at the first trial. If he gets a mistrial and decides NOT to testify at the second trial, can his testimony from the first trial be introduced at his second trial?
I believe his testimony at the first trial would be admissible under the former testimony exception – RT is unavailalbe (privilege) and same motive to cross at the original hearing.
No.
Purely hypothetical: If you’re Telles and you somehow beat this rap, what do you do? Where do you go? Do you fight the state bar to get your ticket back? Do you stay in Vegas and ignore the whispers?
No need to fight the bar to get your ticket. No conviction to warrant punishment.
I would straight disappear…but that’s ME. I think he does the exact opposite and he CERTAINLY tries everything to keep his license at all costs.
There would be no fight from the State Bar if he is acquitted. Ticket comes back. However he would be well suited to move out of state (perhaps Arkansas where he had all of that real estate that he was trying to litigate). This case was a big deal here. This case is a passing fancy in 49 other states.
I need to add one caveat: his temporary suspension was related to the German case AND allegations that he raped his Trust Account from his firm (which why he still had a trust account when he had been in office for 4 years is a mystery). Suffice it to say the OBC would not fight him over the German allegations. Any other violations would be fair game.
He can’t stay here. The police and DA will light him up every chance they get- spitting on the sidewalk, jaywalking, etc. If acquitted, he absolutely has to leave town.
I have had multiple defense attorneys tell me, if you beat metro in court, get out of town ASAP after. They are sore losers haha
If you believe what you posted above then RT only needs one juror that shares your belief. Your post implies that metro likes to put their thumb on the scale and take the judge/jury role away from the people
You move to Vietnam (no extradition) and that’s that.
If there is a mistrial, can Telles afford Draskovich again?
What’s the typical fee agreement here? Flat fee includes a second trial in the event of a mistrial?
Typically flat fee EXCLUDING any appeal or retrial. I’m sure per contract Draskovich is done here, having (theoretically) tried the case to mistrial, and Telles would have to retain him all over again (assuming a retrial). Draskovich could cut him a deal, but it would still be VERY expensive.
What’s the going rate for a 1st degree murder defense? 45k-70k?
That’s very very very low end IMHO. Draskovich could charge that many times over.
Yes as a fee advance. To take this case through 2 weeks of trial with two lawyers at counsel table with 400ish exhibits? $500k on the short end; $1M on the high. My estimate is 1.5 days of pretrial prep for every day of trial. So that is $10,000 a day x 15ish days of prep+ $10,000 a day x 9 days of trial. You would be at $240,000 just getting ready and trying this case and not including all of the nonsense regarding search of German’s devices that went up to the Nevada Supreme Court and back down.
Remember Draskovich was 4th or 5th rider so a lot of the early stuff was not done by him.
If there is a mistrial, I would expect the plea negotiations to begin in earnest once the ink is dry. You danced with the Devil once. You don’t get away with doing it twice.
Whatever Draskovich charges, hes proven it to be worth every penny.
AGREED but we could easily be talking $250,000 to a million dollars—the question is can Telles afford it again?
Unless he made a killing doing probate work or had a ton of equity in his house, my guess would be no.
If this were me, I’d retain Draskovich for a flat fee as low as possible to attempt to negotiate this case—get me anything with a back number. A 12-30, better yet a 10-25, anything with an expiration date. I take it and we are done here. But I guarantee that’s not what HE is thinking. He 100% rolls the dice again if he can afford it.
There is no 10-25 offer in the event of a mistrial. 20 to life would be a worldbeater offer for Telles.
After a mistrial, I disagree. Anything with an expiration date is a win.
Maybe the jury is dragging it out just to give Telles false hope
UPDATE: Jury is done for the day and will resume at 8:30 AM tomorrow.
Jury headed home at 4:30. Back again at 8:30 Wednesday morning.
Ending at 4:30 tells me there’s at least 1 or 2 staunch holdouts. The jury knows staying past 4:30 wouldn’t accomplish anything. Start over tomorrow, they weren’t even close to unanimous today.
You have to be on the right path. Did anyone honestly predict deliberations unfolding in this way?
I don’t think so and I was the MOST wrong, I genuinely believed deliberations could end with a guilty verdict after 2-3 hours due to the DNA and the dumpster fire defendant testimony. Draskovich did an AMAZING, once-in-lifetime job if he convinced anyone on that jury to stick to their guns and cause a mistrial.
The Jose Baez of Nevada hooray!
Serious question: For the past 20 or so years, any time a high profile local or celebrity gets caught doing something, they hire Chesnoff. You can set your watch by it. With this performance, does Draskovich take over that role?
Yes. IMHO Chesnoff looks old and acts lazy. Draskovich comparatively appears younger and is clearly down for anything, hence taking and defending THIS case to a jury.
Chesnoff has been a go-to for white collar or drug offenses. He is not the go-to for murder. For example Rick Wright was a go-to for eons but similarly only Federal or white collar. But Chesnoff was never the murder guy.
You hire Chesnoff when you want a sweetheart deal or when you need the judge to throw you a bone or three.
The DAs office was not going to give this case away and Judge Leavitt is too solidified as the incumbent to give out favors on a case like this.
Draskovich did great from what I saw. Begs the question, who would you hire if you or someone you cared about got charged with a crime or arrested? Who are the good criminal lawyers not named Chesnoff?
Wait I predicted this in writing a few days ago based on my non lawyer friends. I’m going back to get my date and time. To be clear I think he is guilty
Reasonable doubt – 100%. Did he do it maybe, but you can’t overcome the pix of another person driving, non-matching wood fiber, no blood found on RT. No expert to analyze the walk. No wig found. Aquital coming soon.
Acquittal is impossible. Hung jury, sure.
Impossible????
You cant get past RTs DNA under the fingernails of the deceased.
You would have to have 12 people who have 100% faith in police, crime labs, and a test on something called DNA that they may not even understand for this to be your insurmountable hurdle to Not Guilty.
Yes, you can. Metro and the DA can’t identify who bagged the fingers. Which we can all agree is astonishing, right?
I should have said that RT cant get over it. I am of the opinion that the Defense did not hit the potential shortcomings hard enough.
Jurors do not (IMO) have enough to disregard this evidence or question its reliability.
Yes you can.
Telles went on the stand and said there was a conspiracy. Then Draskovich showed the side profile of the driver and argued there is hair.
IF a juror buys into the conspiracy, then pretty much all of the State’s hard evidence is rendered irrelevant. DNA under fingernails (planted).
That’s the genius of the defense, it offers an explanation to all the State’s evidence.
FYI, I don’t believe in a conspiracy, but merely commenting how a juror could possibly believe in it.
I would not trust a govt lab results. I have dealt with the DMV for decades and have first hand knowledge of how incompetent the govt can be with incorrect records and adamant refusal to look at facts. Some jurors might have dealt with the IRS, Unemployment, worker’s comp, medicare, or have been forced to wear a mask and take injections because the govt “science” forced them to. I am not sure people’s belief in science especially when a govt lab is involved is the powerful evidence DA’s seem to think it is.
Or, maybe one of the 12 has been pulled over by a power tripping cop that anchored on a lie in order to threaten them as they tried to get to work and went through a yellow light? Has any adult over 45 in this town not witnessed a cop laying on the BS in order to make some driver feel like crap? I would have a lot of doubts if I sat on this jury. The DA’s case forces people to have way too much faith in the competence and honesty of the cops and the lab. And these same expert lab people cannot even tell us who bagged up the evidence? Come on. This does seem like a frame up.
I’m as pro-defense as anyone, but there is insurmountable direct and circumstantial evidence here, the greatest of which is Telles’ own testimony. The hail mary driver had hair isn’t much. A hung jury, in my opinion, is the product of a juror wanting a confession because even a video could be digitally offered.
Telles has been clear all along. The DA has no case against him and he is going to defense it. A number of commenters on this blog pointed out how the DA would not be prepared to handle Telles on the stand and were ridiculed for this statement. Turns out Telles was right. He called the DA’s bluff. Now we just wait for the acquittal and his victory dance. Telles offered to plead to manslaughter. DA refused. Now DA is finished.
This didn’t age well.
Look, I think Rob did it. But I’ll give him credit for one thing in his crazy narrative testimony. Through hours of Hamner showboating and shitting all over him, Telles never lost his cool. Even if I were innocent on the stand like that, I think I would have a hard time not snapping at Hamner.
Also, I know Hamner is a hero to the weirdo trial watchers online. And maybe some of you like his style. I don’t. Sure, non-lawyers think differently than we do, but they’re not monolithic. There ARE certain demos that get turned off by that kind of presentation – middle aged to older women with college degrees in particular. If there are one or two of those on the jury, who knows.
lack of dna and he gets away
the way Draskovich talks means Telles walks
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