Text what? My last nerve? Nope, someone beat you to that hours ago.
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April 12, 2024 10:44 am
I know journalistic integrity is at an all-time low, but Steve Hackett does not represent Clark County School District and he did not make any of the arguments that The Nevada Independent attributes to him. Hackett represented the plaintiffs, CCSD is a defendant. This is pretty basic stuff.
Don’t pile on the Indy. It was created with good intentions and high hopes, but appears to be swirling in the drain financially. Pretty sad stuff. They are doing the best they can with a skeleton staff after the layoffs.
Even if i knew what you meant by piling one, pointing out TNI’s incompetent reporting is not inappropriate. TNI has one job –accurately reporting the news. If TNI can’t do this, what is the point of it?
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April 12, 2024 11:02 am
The firm took his bio off of their website. Our firm had a similar issue with an attorney’s son that was involved in a highly visible incident. It is rough on those that are not involved.
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April 12, 2024 11:03 am
Looks like he’s been taken off R&L’s website as of this morning, FYI.
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April 12, 2024 11:20 am
Family Court Judge Bill Henderson has to bear some responsibility for what happened right? Based on prior comments of how contentious things were in that case and between those families, why would you ever allow them to be put in the same room together?? (Obviously I understand they are attorneys and have the “right” to be there — but still).
The entire family court absolutely has to bear some responsibility. That system is rotten. The family law attorneys that were involved in that case bear some responsibility too. Someone recently commented about clerking down there and how the judges would rule in favor of the attorneys they knew. It’s true. They do. All the time. They allow cases to spiral out of control. They allow attorneys and parties to make unsupported allegations all the time and no one is ever held accountable. It’s a broken, abusive system and I’m surprised terrible incidents like this don’t have more often.
Just so you know, this is what the blog is talking about:
In December 2016, Lyudmyla Pyankovska sued her exhusband, Sean Abid, and his attorney, John Jones, in the United States Court for the District of Nevada alleging federal and state wiretap violations as well as various state common law claims. She alleged that during a bitter child custody proceeding in Nevada state court, her ex-husband had secretly recorded conversations between her and their child, and that Jones had filed selectively edited transcripts of the illegally recorded conversations on the court’s public docket.
The panel held that Jones violated the Federal Wiretap Act, and it agreed with the district court that the vicariousconsent doctrine did not apply and that Jones’s conduct was not protected under Bartnicki v. Vopper, 532 U.S. 514 (2001), which carves out a narrow First Amendment exception to the Federal Wiretap Act for matters of public importance. The panel further held, however, that Jones’s conduct was not protected under the Noerr-Pennington doctrine. The panel concluded that Pyankovska’s lawsuit did not impose a burden on petitioning rights because Abid prevailed in the state court custody case, and Jones had no petitioning “right” to use the transcripts. The panel held that filing illegally obtained evidence on a public court docket is conduct not immunized under Noerr-Pennington, and the Federal Wiretap Act unambiguously applied to Jones’s conduct.
The panel held that the district court incorrectly computed statutory damages under the Federal Wiretap Act because it did not consider whether Abid violated the statute for more than 100 days, which would render the amount of damages greater than $10,000. In addition, the district court failed to adequately address other categories of damages to which Pyankovska might be entitled, including punitive damages, attorney’s fees, and damages on Nevada commonlaw claims.
He will never learn his lessons because the family court judges will never hold him accountable for his behavior. Years ago I posted about the outrageous outcome of a case I had against him and one of the commenters accused me of being a disgruntled pro se litigant who did not understand their own case. I completely understood it and the judge’s order was just insanity. She tied herself in knots to let him off the hook for blatant, proven lies to the court. It was sickening then and even more sickening now. I hope every judge in family court knows that they have contributed to this result.
It’s not a matter of being bitter. The discussion was regarding a certain attorney’s behavior and if he’s ever going to learn his lesson. I related the story as a demonstration of my belief that no, he will not learn his lesson. His antics have been going on for decades and they will no doubt continue. I do not think he will learn his lesson in the federal wire tap case and I do not think he will learn his lesson from his role in this week’s events. The judges in family court have an established pattern of not only allowing but also rewarding his bad acts.
11:20. This was a deposition, not a court hearing. Presumably, the court knew nothing about it. In fact, the court had earlier ordered that all child exchanges be at the police station, and that Joe Houston NOT to be present during any of the exchanges. No one had asked for this safeguard, but the court imposed it in an abundance of caution. It’s important to confirm the facts before tossing out the accusation that the judge shares responsibility. for these three horrible deaths.
11:20 here. I completely disagree. If there was an order signed by Henderson that Houston shouldn’t be around during the exchange, and the court SELF IMPOSED IT, he should have had foresight to keep them as far apart as possible. No shot he should have allowed them to be in the same room. Even during depositions.
Henderson shares some responsibility, no matter how you cut it.
@9:38 I agree with your comment, but it goes beyond that. They were dragging in previous spouses, grandparents, etc. The case was spiraling out of control. There were too many family members acting as attorneys. It was getting too heated. The non-family member attorneys involved are not known for reasonableness. The court was being used as a weapon to harass, disparage, and abuse each other. It is the court’s responsibility to stop this kind of behavior, but the reverse happens. Family court is a cesspool.
Dennis could have helped behind the scenes but he should not have been noticing depos or making court appearances for his wife. Everything should have been signed by Jones and he should have been the only attorney of record for Ashley.
The law only deters law biding people. There is a doctrine in the law regarding criminal acts of third parties cuts off liability. Does it apply here? Well, maybe.
What could anyone have done to prevent this act of a deranged individual?
5:22: at what point did you choose to be a villain? Being anonymous and all, when? What was the catalyst for you to justify being dark in the face of incomprehensible tragedy? The point of mentioning an earlier personal negative experience with child custody in Clark County was presumably to posit to the readers whether said negative experience may have played into the motive or feelings of desperation that caused the unspeakable to occur here. At least that was my take. But, you chose to dedicate your time to typing up a comment about something that could be perceived as embarrassing about someone who just lost their life to inexcusable violence. Someone who has family and the closest of friends that read this blog. So again, why did you decide to be a villain? You could just choose to be quiet next time.
As a young man Joe Houston was very good looking and knew it. He always thought highly of himself and his abilities. If he displeased you it was because you were jealous.
Actually. Your description matches nearly verbatim what my dad said first. He just finished with the last quote.
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April 12, 2024 12:39 pm
I think Joe Houston, knowing that he was soon to die, would no longer be able to represent Dylan in what appears to be endless custody battles for the next 15+ years. He also knew Dylan would also probably have to hire outside counsel for the same period. The rest is history.
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April 12, 2024 1:12 pm
A public funeral service for Dennis Prince is scheduled for 5 p.m. on Tuesday, April 16, at the Palm Downtown Mortuary & Cemetery, the children said.
Protecting his name? No one asked Bob to protect the name of the guy into whose back he shoved a knife. Respect the family before you take the microphone.
“The Prince children asked for privacy and noted they were the best stewards to speak on their father’s behalf. ‘We were extremely disappointed by some of the comments made by our fathers’ previous colleagues embellishing the nature of their relationship,’ the Prince children said.”
Yes and stop gong on national television calling yourself the “mentor” of Dennis and his best friend.
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April 12, 2024 1:57 pm
Some of these comments sicken me and reflect the small lives the posters must have. Lawyers that make more and travel in certain circles aren’t bigger and better. What’s wrong with you. Some of focus on our Religion or family or pro bono work. Believe or not it doesn’t make any difference but I wouldn’t spend a day of my life chasing money or fame. It’s a fool’s errand.
To each his own. Some become lawyers for altruistic reasons; others do it for the money, property, and prestige.
We all want to believe that the causes we take on are noble and just. But really, how many of us would take on those causes if there wasn’t a little something in it for us?
Every last motherfucking one of us is full of shit. If you think you’re exempt, I got news for you. Oh, and not a single one of us is taking our shit with us, no matter how much shit we accumulate.
Well said, but I think 1:57 PM is also referencing the tendency of some attorneys to engage in proverbial dick measuring contests. Just be the best person and attorney you can be, albeit one that is inevitably full of shit as 2:20 says. Comparison is the thief of joy.
This has been a tough week. It’s hard to just keep going about things as if everything is normal. It’s not. Someone we know killed someone else we know in a situation we all find ourselves in on a regular basis. I have such mixed feelings about it all. I had cases with Dennis and none of them were a pleasant experience, but I know he was doing his job the way he thought he had too. I know there were extra layers to this situation, but I can’t help but think about the times I’ve pushed a little harder in a deposition and upset someone. It’s my job, but scary to think that this is one potential outcome. It’s unreal to think about someone being across the conference room table from you doing this. I really feel for Shannon and Lisa and the others in the room. I have no doubt they’ll carry on at some point, but it’s not going to be easy. I hope that our legal community will learn from this. I know it’s unlikely that everyone will, but I have to hold on to that hope that things can change and people can do better.
Well said. I’ve poked people in the eye during a deposition a time or two. The very best attorneys that I know never do, however, because they don’t have to. Something to think about.
This wasn’t because of any other cause than Houston showing up bent on doing harm. We, as a profession must stop the nonsense blame game and hand wringing about what could’ve or should’ve been done differently.
9:28, ya there is no way to get into a person’s internal thought process (yet). Nor is there a way to prevent a man who has been an attorney for 40+ years from doing this.
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April 12, 2024 4:08 pm
It’s weird that you know and care about all of this stuff.
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April 13, 2024 8:48 am
I won’t be doing any live depos for awhile. Zoom is fine with me.
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Sorry I don’t know how to delete this. But I’m making it worse by trying to apologize. Like that Vince Vaughn call in that movie.
Sorry homie, we have to report you to the bar now.
Get an iPhone. I am sick of seeing these green text threads .
Text what? My last nerve? Nope, someone beat you to that hours ago.
I know journalistic integrity is at an all-time low, but Steve Hackett does not represent Clark County School District and he did not make any of the arguments that The Nevada Independent attributes to him. Hackett represented the plaintiffs, CCSD is a defendant. This is pretty basic stuff.
Oh look, they updated it but still misspelled defense counsel’s name. Stellar work by the Nevada Independent. Truly a detail-oriented outfit.
Don’t pile on the Indy. It was created with good intentions and high hopes, but appears to be swirling in the drain financially. Pretty sad stuff. They are doing the best they can with a skeleton staff after the layoffs.
Still the best reporting in Nevada.
They attempted to be independent, but their biases are geberslly glaringly obvious.
Even if i knew what you meant by piling one, pointing out TNI’s incompetent reporting is not inappropriate. TNI has one job –accurately reporting the news. If TNI can’t do this, what is the point of it?
The firm took his bio off of their website. Our firm had a similar issue with an attorney’s son that was involved in a highly visible incident. It is rough on those that are not involved.
Looks like he’s been taken off R&L’s website as of this morning, FYI.
Family Court Judge Bill Henderson has to bear some responsibility for what happened right? Based on prior comments of how contentious things were in that case and between those families, why would you ever allow them to be put in the same room together?? (Obviously I understand they are attorneys and have the “right” to be there — but still).
I think this is especially true if people close to Houston referred to him/the situation as a “Powder Keg”
The entire family court absolutely has to bear some responsibility. That system is rotten. The family law attorneys that were involved in that case bear some responsibility too. Someone recently commented about clerking down there and how the judges would rule in favor of the attorneys they knew. It’s true. They do. All the time. They allow cases to spiral out of control. They allow attorneys and parties to make unsupported allegations all the time and no one is ever held accountable. It’s a broken, abusive system and I’m surprised terrible incidents like this don’t have more often.
Is there a pattern? Things become rotten in a large attorney protected system until gun violence pulls the curtain? Telles, HOA…
Just so you know, this is what the blog is talking about:
In December 2016, Lyudmyla Pyankovska sued her exhusband, Sean Abid, and his attorney, John Jones, in the United States Court for the District of Nevada alleging federal and state wiretap violations as well as various state common law claims. She alleged that during a bitter child custody proceeding in Nevada state court, her ex-husband had secretly recorded conversations between her and their child, and that Jones had filed selectively edited transcripts of the illegally recorded conversations on the court’s public docket.
The panel held that Jones violated the Federal Wiretap Act, and it agreed with the district court that the vicariousconsent doctrine did not apply and that Jones’s conduct was not protected under Bartnicki v. Vopper, 532 U.S. 514 (2001), which carves out a narrow First Amendment exception to the Federal Wiretap Act for matters of public importance. The panel further held, however, that Jones’s conduct was not protected under the Noerr-Pennington doctrine. The panel concluded that Pyankovska’s lawsuit did not impose a burden on petitioning rights because Abid prevailed in the state court custody case, and Jones had no petitioning “right” to use the transcripts. The panel held that filing illegally obtained evidence on a public court docket is conduct not immunized under Noerr-Pennington, and the Federal Wiretap Act unambiguously applied to Jones’s conduct.
The panel held that the district court incorrectly computed statutory damages under the Federal Wiretap Act because it did not consider whether Abid violated the statute for more than 100 days, which would render the amount of damages greater than $10,000. In addition, the district court failed to adequately address other categories of damages to which Pyankovska might be entitled, including punitive damages, attorney’s fees, and damages on Nevada commonlaw claims.
Yes we know all of this and Nobody GAF.
He will never learn his lessons because the family court judges will never hold him accountable for his behavior. Years ago I posted about the outrageous outcome of a case I had against him and one of the commenters accused me of being a disgruntled pro se litigant who did not understand their own case. I completely understood it and the judge’s order was just insanity. She tied herself in knots to let him off the hook for blatant, proven lies to the court. It was sickening then and even more sickening now. I hope every judge in family court knows that they have contributed to this result.
So you are not denying to being a pro se litigant?
I am formally denying being a pro se litigant.
Somebody is biiiiiiiiiittter!!
That hate will end ya for sure. Let it go.
It’s not a matter of being bitter. The discussion was regarding a certain attorney’s behavior and if he’s ever going to learn his lesson. I related the story as a demonstration of my belief that no, he will not learn his lesson. His antics have been going on for decades and they will no doubt continue. I do not think he will learn his lesson in the federal wire tap case and I do not think he will learn his lesson from his role in this week’s events. The judges in family court have an established pattern of not only allowing but also rewarding his bad acts.
11:20. This was a deposition, not a court hearing. Presumably, the court knew nothing about it. In fact, the court had earlier ordered that all child exchanges be at the police station, and that Joe Houston NOT to be present during any of the exchanges. No one had asked for this safeguard, but the court imposed it in an abundance of caution. It’s important to confirm the facts before tossing out the accusation that the judge shares responsibility. for these three horrible deaths.
11:20 here. I completely disagree. If there was an order signed by Henderson that Houston shouldn’t be around during the exchange, and the court SELF IMPOSED IT, he should have had foresight to keep them as far apart as possible. No shot he should have allowed them to be in the same room. Even during depositions.
Henderson shares some responsibility, no matter how you cut it.
9:38, that was a stipulation, not an order
Don’t stipulations usually become court orders?
@9:38 I agree with your comment, but it goes beyond that. They were dragging in previous spouses, grandparents, etc. The case was spiraling out of control. There were too many family members acting as attorneys. It was getting too heated. The non-family member attorneys involved are not known for reasonableness. The court was being used as a weapon to harass, disparage, and abuse each other. It is the court’s responsibility to stop this kind of behavior, but the reverse happens. Family court is a cesspool.
Why did John Jones allow Prince to enter the fray? He could have corralled this shit show. Lisa just happens to be opposing Jones in his federal case.
Dennis could have helped behind the scenes but he should not have been noticing depos or making court appearances for his wife. Everything should have been signed by Jones and he should have been the only attorney of record for Ashley.
The law only deters law biding people. There is a doctrine in the law regarding criminal acts of third parties cuts off liability. Does it apply here? Well, maybe.
What could anyone have done to prevent this act of a deranged individual?
Your comment just tells me you know nothing about family court. This kinda BS is standard down there. It doesn’t mean shit.
Glad to see he’s gone. Took them long enough. Now take his bar license.
Wow. Who TF are you? Clearly not a lawyer.
As a young man Joe Houston had his own child custody battle with his first or second wife. He told me about it. He lost. Nobody has mentioned this .
As a young man wasn’t DP expelled from McGeorge before CalWestern? Not mentioned here either.
Why was he expelled?
5:22: at what point did you choose to be a villain? Being anonymous and all, when? What was the catalyst for you to justify being dark in the face of incomprehensible tragedy? The point of mentioning an earlier personal negative experience with child custody in Clark County was presumably to posit to the readers whether said negative experience may have played into the motive or feelings of desperation that caused the unspeakable to occur here. At least that was my take. But, you chose to dedicate your time to typing up a comment about something that could be perceived as embarrassing about someone who just lost their life to inexcusable violence. Someone who has family and the closest of friends that read this blog. So again, why did you decide to be a villain? You could just choose to be quiet next time.
Because he cannot pull himself up, he has chosen to spend his life pulling others down. We see this a great deal in our profession.
My father went to Western HS with Joe in the 60s. He went by Joey then.
Quote: “ He was an asshole back then too”
As a young man Joe Houston was very good looking and knew it. He always thought highly of himself and his abilities. If he displeased you it was because you were jealous.
Actually. Your description matches nearly verbatim what my dad said first. He just finished with the last quote.
I think Joe Houston, knowing that he was soon to die, would no longer be able to represent Dylan in what appears to be endless custody battles for the next 15+ years. He also knew Dylan would also probably have to hire outside counsel for the same period. The rest is history.
A public funeral service for Dennis Prince is scheduled for 5 p.m. on Tuesday, April 16, at the Palm Downtown Mortuary & Cemetery, the children said.
https://www.8newsnow.com/investigators/children-remember-las-vegas-lawyer-dennis-prince-as-loving-dad-he-was-the-life-of-the-party/
The Prince children mentioned previous colleagues embellishing their relationship with Dennis. Gee who would that be?
Maybe just maybe Eglet and Harris.
Protecting his name? No one asked Bob to protect the name of the guy into whose back he shoved a knife. Respect the family before you take the microphone.
The ending might have had something to do with the MGM and $800 million.
“The Prince children asked for privacy and noted they were the best stewards to speak on their father’s behalf. ‘We were extremely disappointed by some of the comments made by our fathers’ previous colleagues embellishing the nature of their relationship,’ the Prince children said.”
Bob I would skip the funeral.
Yes and stop gong on national television calling yourself the “mentor” of Dennis and his best friend.
Some of these comments sicken me and reflect the small lives the posters must have. Lawyers that make more and travel in certain circles aren’t bigger and better. What’s wrong with you. Some of focus on our Religion or family or pro bono work. Believe or not it doesn’t make any difference but I wouldn’t spend a day of my life chasing money or fame. It’s a fool’s errand.
To each his own. Some become lawyers for altruistic reasons; others do it for the money, property, and prestige.
We all want to believe that the causes we take on are noble and just. But really, how many of us would take on those causes if there wasn’t a little something in it for us?
Every last motherfucking one of us is full of shit. If you think you’re exempt, I got news for you. Oh, and not a single one of us is taking our shit with us, no matter how much shit we accumulate.
Rest In Peace, Dennis Prince.
Fuck all the rest of you cocksuckers.
Applause!!!!!
Well said, but I think 1:57 PM is also referencing the tendency of some attorneys to engage in proverbial dick measuring contests. Just be the best person and attorney you can be, albeit one that is inevitably full of shit as 2:20 says. Comparison is the thief of joy.
1:57 is a holier-than-thou sanctimonious cocksucker too. Probably a little jealous.
Just you . . . .dick.
This lady? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBaEzXEoCfs
Forgotten morals…
Do you have any thoughts about this?
This has been a tough week. It’s hard to just keep going about things as if everything is normal. It’s not. Someone we know killed someone else we know in a situation we all find ourselves in on a regular basis. I have such mixed feelings about it all. I had cases with Dennis and none of them were a pleasant experience, but I know he was doing his job the way he thought he had too. I know there were extra layers to this situation, but I can’t help but think about the times I’ve pushed a little harder in a deposition and upset someone. It’s my job, but scary to think that this is one potential outcome. It’s unreal to think about someone being across the conference room table from you doing this. I really feel for Shannon and Lisa and the others in the room. I have no doubt they’ll carry on at some point, but it’s not going to be easy. I hope that our legal community will learn from this. I know it’s unlikely that everyone will, but I have to hold on to that hope that things can change and people can do better.
Well said. I’ve poked people in the eye during a deposition a time or two. The very best attorneys that I know never do, however, because they don’t have to. Something to think about.
The shooting happened 5 minutes in. They couldn’t have been far beyond the admonitions. This wasn’t because of something Dennis said in that Depo.
This wasn’t because of any other cause than Houston showing up bent on doing harm. We, as a profession must stop the nonsense blame game and hand wringing about what could’ve or should’ve been done differently.
Evil is as evil does.
Enough already.
9:28, ya there is no way to get into a person’s internal thought process (yet). Nor is there a way to prevent a man who has been an attorney for 40+ years from doing this.
It’s weird that you know and care about all of this stuff.
I won’t be doing any live depos for awhile. Zoom is fine with me.
Not to join in the dunking on Family Court…. https://www.8newsnow.com/investigators/dad-says-system-failed-son-after-boy-hands-las-vegas-police-bag-of-drugs-mom-arrested/