I was practicing in LA at the time of the trial. A TV was in our breakroom, and when the verdict came in, we all gathered. I had followed the trial, it was televised. It was clear to me that OJ was guilty, as was the consensus of the other lawyers in my office.
When he was found not guilty, much to my surprise, all of the support staff cheered.
I was in grade school and enamored by the former star athlete that was also in funny movies I watched. I recall that basically our whole class (including me) also cheered at the verdict. My sense, as a child that never watched any of the trial, was that not guilty was the correct result.
Then when I was a very junior lawyer and wanted to prepare for a trial I had, I began to listen to the trial testimony on YouTube, and I was shocked at how incredibly guilty OJ obviously was and I was also shocked at how different the actual trial was when compared to my recollection of the news coverage (which seemed to focus on Mark Fuhrman).
This is all to say, I agree with you, but you never know what those people were watching and where they got their news.
Mark Fuhrman literally took the stand and pleaded the fifth to the question, “Did you plant evidence at the scene/attempt to frame Simpson”…the not guilty verdict was correct. Fuhrman also pleaded guilty to perjury. He tainted the entire trial.
I expect civilians to be convinced that the verdict was wrong, but surprised to see lawyers ignoring the burden of proof. If your star witness pleads the Fifth to planting evidence, you should not be able to prove your case beyond a reasonable doubt. The courts got this one right: not guilty on the criminal charges, liable on the civil claims.
The DNA evidence should have been enough to overcome even Furman’s fuckery. But Barry Scheck did a masterful job of muddying the water. And he did it with evidence that should never have been allowed to be heard.
If he wasn’t dead, you’d have to wonder if Norm McDonald wrote that. Haha.
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April 11, 2024 10:08 am
I’ll be rewatching “O.J.: Made in America” this weekend. It’s been several years since I first watched, but it’s a very well done and thought-provoking documentary series.
They didn’t mention Eglet fired him and put up signs all over the palace that he was barred from entering. Then came the bar complaint. Good friend Eglet.
Yes correct. Since both Prince and Telles (arguably) have been lost to the legal community, as they were lawyers and both are a “legal story” as the initial hypothetical posed.
But, you know. . . logic. and of course, words mean things. . . .
🙄
Telles’ (alleged) crime was an affront to the free press. Prince’s murder was an affront to the judicial process. There’s no point in trying to sort out which is more significant. They are both horrific and stomach churning events.
There may in fact be no point in debating the greater significance.
But, this is what we do every fkg day of the week. Get over yourself.
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April 11, 2024 3:22 pm
Several years before COVID, family court case, mom and dad have messy drama all over the place. Finally get an order. After court mom follows dad and new girlfriend to dad’s house and runs them over. It’s on the neighbor’s security camera. Mom gets high profile, well connected attorney. Family court gets the footage. Judge refuses to re-open custody on basis of this new domestic violence incident. Well connected attorneys reign supreme in family court. Guess who the judge was.
Seen it many times. Not to downgrade your story but I think what is even more significant is how the Bar weeds out that lawyers competitors – probably, as I don’t know that specific person.
I think they both had Josh Gilmore as their attorney.
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April 11, 2024 3:51 pm
Will Eglet show up at the Prince memorial service and demand to give the eulogy so he can be on the 6 o’clock news? I know Dennis would not want him in the building.
Probate question, I have a client who needs to do some kind of probate in order to start receiving the royalty checks from her deceased husband’s music. Not a huge amount (unless some show randomly uses one of his songs and makes it popular again like “running up that hill” in stranger things), but pretty much impossible to know how much it will be as it fizzles out over time. The royalty companies are requiring that something be filed to switch the checks over. How would you put a value on these checks in order to know what type of probate has to be filed?
When in doubt always choose general administration. General covers everything over $0.01. Summary covers $0.01 to $300k. If you comply with all requirements for General admin and it comes out to be only $150k (for example) you don’t file the final petition to convert to summary, but if you start at summary and it turns out to be $300,000.01 you have to file, serve, and publish a supplemental 30-day additional notice to creditors, and the final petition (stipulated or regular with hearing) has to request conversion from summary to general (which is trivial, but you still have to do the 30-day notice.)
Disagree with this one. Present 5 years of revenue as the value in a set aside petition first. If the musician really is as small potatoes as you claim, this should be possible. Set asides save the client thousands of dollars and months of aggravation.
I’ve done a few probates for musicians. Value is based on 5 years of revenue. Try to do a set aside, if possible. Make sure you take advantage of community property, which will double the set aside threshold. Make sure your order is detailed as to the current record labels AND any future entity they assign their intellectual rights to (these rights do get moved around quite a bit). In fact, I would run your proposed order by the record labels weeks prior to the hearing. Things will go much smoother this way.
She is but one of many now on the bench who just kind of wings it. I had one in front of her that I could not help but just laugh because she could not have been more wrong and not understood what she was being asked to do. My client asked for us to look at reconsideration and had to tell them that it would be a waste of time because it just would show that not only was she wrong but she was stubborn.
“Cancer Murders OJ”
– Drudge Report
I was practicing in LA at the time of the trial. A TV was in our breakroom, and when the verdict came in, we all gathered. I had followed the trial, it was televised. It was clear to me that OJ was guilty, as was the consensus of the other lawyers in my office.
When he was found not guilty, much to my surprise, all of the support staff cheered.
I was in grade school and enamored by the former star athlete that was also in funny movies I watched. I recall that basically our whole class (including me) also cheered at the verdict. My sense, as a child that never watched any of the trial, was that not guilty was the correct result.
Then when I was a very junior lawyer and wanted to prepare for a trial I had, I began to listen to the trial testimony on YouTube, and I was shocked at how incredibly guilty OJ obviously was and I was also shocked at how different the actual trial was when compared to my recollection of the news coverage (which seemed to focus on Mark Fuhrman).
This is all to say, I agree with you, but you never know what those people were watching and where they got their news.
We watched that verdict in my 4th Grade class, which is pretty weird.
We also–in our wisdom–had the consensus opinion that he was guilty!
Ah, I see you were white in 4th grade.
Don’t need to be white to believe Simpson murdered his wife, only need to be paying attention.
Mark Fuhrman literally took the stand and pleaded the fifth to the question, “Did you plant evidence at the scene/attempt to frame Simpson”…the not guilty verdict was correct. Fuhrman also pleaded guilty to perjury. He tainted the entire trial.
Both can be true.
I expect civilians to be convinced that the verdict was wrong, but surprised to see lawyers ignoring the burden of proof. If your star witness pleads the Fifth to planting evidence, you should not be able to prove your case beyond a reasonable doubt. The courts got this one right: not guilty on the criminal charges, liable on the civil claims.
The problem is how that questioning even got allowed in!!
The single biggest mistake was the DA moving the case to Downtown for his convenience from Brentwood.
Best analysis that I have read of the case was Vincent Bugliosi’s book, Outrage.
The DNA evidence should have been enough to overcome even Furman’s fuckery. But Barry Scheck did a masterful job of muddying the water. And he did it with evidence that should never have been allowed to be heard.
If he wasn’t dead, you’d have to wonder if Norm McDonald wrote that. Haha.
I’ll be rewatching “O.J.: Made in America” this weekend. It’s been several years since I first watched, but it’s a very well done and thought-provoking documentary series.
Even better is Jeffrey Toobin’s book, IMO his best.
I liked Toobin’s Zoom work
He never got to catch his wife’s killer
OJ is resting easy knowing that Nicole’s killer is dead
Ito lost control of the trial and let it turn into a sideshow about Fuhrman.
I enjoyed the Tonight’s Show artistic interpretation of the Dancing Ito’s
The Dancing Ito’s were peak 20th century culture.
Please let us know if there is a funeral or a memorial service. Thanks.
Its looking like Prince Memorial will be at 4pm on Tuesday.
Palm Mortuary Downtown
1325 N. Main St.
Las Vegas NV 89101
Thank you
I believe OP was asking about OJ’s memorial service…
My loved one, also a lawyer, has fixed several traffic tickets for me, and never shot anyone.
R/J mentions that Eglet went after Prince (as well as all 3 of his other wives talking nicely about themselves). https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/slain-las-vegas-attorney-remembered-as-badass-all-around-3032081/?utm_campaign=widget&utm_medium=topnews&utm_source=homepage&utm_term=Slain%20Las%20Vegas%20attorney%20remembered%20as%20%E2%80%98badass%20all%20around%E2%80%99
They didn’t mention Eglet fired him and put up signs all over the palace that he was barred from entering. Then came the bar complaint. Good friend Eglet.
Best friends according to Eglet.
So hypothetical…. Telles goes to trial and is convicted. What is the bigger legal story at the end of the year- Telles or Prince?
Prince is the bigger loss to our community and for sure the bigger story.
Whooooaaa – probably accidental but you’re comparing Prince to German. Logic my friend.
I was comparing the loss of Prince to the loss of Telles (not German) to the Legal Community. No lack of logic here, I assure you.
Just (apparently for you) a needed clarification. But for me, Prince was a friend for decades and I feel the loss directly and personally.
I think u meant to compare Prince to Telles
Yes correct. Since both Prince and Telles (arguably) have been lost to the legal community, as they were lawyers and both are a “legal story” as the initial hypothetical posed.
But, you know. . . logic. and of course, words mean things. . . .
🙄
Telles’ (alleged) crime was an affront to the free press. Prince’s murder was an affront to the judicial process. There’s no point in trying to sort out which is more significant. They are both horrific and stomach churning events.
There may in fact be no point in debating the greater significance.
But, this is what we do every fkg day of the week. Get over yourself.
Several years before COVID, family court case, mom and dad have messy drama all over the place. Finally get an order. After court mom follows dad and new girlfriend to dad’s house and runs them over. It’s on the neighbor’s security camera. Mom gets high profile, well connected attorney. Family court gets the footage. Judge refuses to re-open custody on basis of this new domestic violence incident. Well connected attorneys reign supreme in family court. Guess who the judge was.
Who?
Seen it many times. Not to downgrade your story but I think what is even more significant is how the Bar weeds out that lawyers competitors – probably, as I don’t know that specific person.
Jimmerson and Leila Hale both got a pass from the NSC for conduct anyone else would be suspended.
Omg thank you!!!! For noticing
What did they do?
Go into the bar website plug in their names. It tells the whole story.
I think they both had Josh Gilmore as their attorney.
Will Eglet show up at the Prince memorial service and demand to give the eulogy so he can be on the 6 o’clock news? I know Dennis would not want him in the building.
Interesting Rick Harris take – https://www.fox5vegas.com/2024/04/10/las-vegas-valley-lawyers-feel-impact-summerlin-shooting/
I hope Rick was misquoted because his statements come across in a manner with which I would not want to be affiliated.
I saw nothing wrong with what he said.
He said Dennis is aggressive and likes to win at all costs?
Why? Because he was honest?
Probate question, I have a client who needs to do some kind of probate in order to start receiving the royalty checks from her deceased husband’s music. Not a huge amount (unless some show randomly uses one of his songs and makes it popular again like “running up that hill” in stranger things), but pretty much impossible to know how much it will be as it fizzles out over time. The royalty companies are requiring that something be filed to switch the checks over. How would you put a value on these checks in order to know what type of probate has to be filed?
When in doubt always choose general administration. General covers everything over $0.01. Summary covers $0.01 to $300k. If you comply with all requirements for General admin and it comes out to be only $150k (for example) you don’t file the final petition to convert to summary, but if you start at summary and it turns out to be $300,000.01 you have to file, serve, and publish a supplemental 30-day additional notice to creditors, and the final petition (stipulated or regular with hearing) has to request conversion from summary to general (which is trivial, but you still have to do the 30-day notice.)
Disagree with this one. Present 5 years of revenue as the value in a set aside petition first. If the musician really is as small potatoes as you claim, this should be possible. Set asides save the client thousands of dollars and months of aggravation.
Value the royalty stream average for the last 5 years.
I’ve done a few probates for musicians. Value is based on 5 years of revenue. Try to do a set aside, if possible. Make sure you take advantage of community property, which will double the set aside threshold. Make sure your order is detailed as to the current record labels AND any future entity they assign their intellectual rights to (these rights do get moved around quite a bit). In fact, I would run your proposed order by the record labels weeks prior to the hearing. Things will go much smoother this way.
Excellent point. Thank you!
She is but one of many now on the bench who just kind of wings it. I had one in front of her that I could not help but just laugh because she could not have been more wrong and not understood what she was being asked to do. My client asked for us to look at reconsideration and had to tell them that it would be a waste of time because it just would show that not only was she wrong but she was stubborn.
I’ll join this comment.