Day after day after day. the NVSC web team cannot do its job on a day to day basis. Either incompetence or plain laziness has infected the team. Ridiculous that 9 times out of 10 the public web search does not work.
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April 15, 2024 1:52 pm
The family of Ashley Prince had a press conference for the Review Journal this afternoon and provided some background about the custody dispute.
Pretty bold move to allow a client to do something like that. Could help, could backfire. Why take the risk of allowing a grieving client, currently involved in high-stakes litigation, to speak into a microphone in front of journalists on the subject matter of that litigation? Seems risky.
It was a very controlled presentation. I didn’t see anything that would create any problems. It’s a good move, IMO, because it dealt a pretty devastating blow to Dylan Houston. If half of what is said is true, it’s stunning. Dana knows what she is doing.
Judge Henderson is well intentioned and often has naive optimism that parents will act reasonably.
Whether intended or not, this basically says “Judge Henderson failed Ashley” while also placing public pressure on him for the guardianship case (which they may need to prevail if Dylan gets sober). Interesting
Paul Page, the former chairman of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Managers and Supervisors Association accused of misappropriating $38,521 in union funds?
Wasn’t going to mention that, but yeah. Our kids all went to grade school together and he has always been a heck of a nice guy, that one controversial incident notwithstanding.
It was tough watching his profound emotional pain in that video. They’re a nice family and with all the accolades and sympathy that Dennis Prince has gotten, it’s a good reminder that other people suffered as well.
If addiction allows you to repeatedly threaten the life of the mother of your children then there’s essentially nothing off limits. Addiction doesn’t justify everything.
I’m not advocating for him to keep his job or work in our town, in our profession ever again.
Certainly not making any excuse or justification.
And if they have fired him, I hope his wrongful termination claims die at a very early stage with him owing costs.
But if his employer hasn’t fired him it may be because they want to terminate him properly, avoiding unnecessary litigation–ancillary benefit of it probably being the right thing to do.
The quotes in the first article will still likely come back to haunt him in any dispute with the Goldmans. I practice in probate and cringed when I read the original comments. I would not want to defend those statements. But yes, this is at least somewhat mitigating.
You were relying on Malcolm Lavergne to give you a reasoned analysis on an Estate matter?
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April 15, 2024 3:59 pm
I just can’t believe those texts. What percentage of the population has ever spoken like that to anyone, much less the mother of their children? I get that he’s not the only one, but it’s a really small group that is that horrible. Shit down your throat? Chisel you down to nothing? Only want to see you in a casket?
When my wife and I were dating, she was baffled that I wouldn’t say anything negative about any of my ex-girlfriends. After we were married, she told me that was one of the reasons she felt she could trust me, that I would be loyal. Even if we divorced, and it was nasty, I couldn’t imagine ever speaking to her, or anyone else, like that. If anyone spoke like that to my family member, I’m not sure I could muster enough self-discipline. I’m afraid I would be too Sonny and not enough Michael.
It seems like part of the problem in family court is that the judges become numb to allegations and thereby lose the ability to discern between the bullshit and the real red flags. Maybe no human can be a family court judge without succumbing to that numbness and loss of discernment. Blame then, goes at least in part, to the parties who exaggerate and lie and wear the judges out, less able to see cases of real concern, like this one.
I suspect it may haunt him at trial. Ironic that OJ died in Summerlin on the same week that this domestic dispute spilled all over our profession and town.
The texts are terrible. And I hope sharing them publicly is effective for her family.
I think you’d be very disappointed to learn what percentage of the population has ever spoken to someone like that, especially via text.
A very high percentage of women have received text messages like that or calls or remarks; and now they have to worry even more than they did that it’s more than emotions + drugs and alcohol, and the sender might be capable of what they’re alluding to.
I received far worse texts than that during my divorce/custody case. Those that are so shocked have obviously never gone though a high stakes, contentious family law case. The texts will come back to haunt him with the lens of hindsight, but without this tragedy, those texts are par for the family law course.
We didn’t get to hear about the texts that she may have sent to him. Do we know that she wasn’t saying similar things to him? I’m not victim blaming. It’s an objective question, if this was two-sided bickering or a clear cut case of him being the instigator. Family court is hell.
If I had a dollar for every vile voicemail, every horrible threatening text I’ve attached to a motion or played at trial, I could’ve retired ten years ago.
Happens a lot.
I hope we as practitioners can step in here to explain and differentiate what actually happens in family law cases versus what we as a society and profession are willing to accept in Family Law cases. Do vile text exchanges happen all of the time? Absolutely. Should they ever occur? Never. And we as attorneys need to tell our clients that for the sake of their children and their case, stop it. Stop right now. If you do this, I am firing you as a client. Attorneys get dragged into the muck with their clients. It is not OK. And yet we all know the attorneys who not only tolerate this crap but encourage it and a couple of them do it also. Stop it.
I have dropped many a client that refused to be controlled in their communications.
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April 15, 2024 9:42 pm
The Las Vegas legal community continues to be on track for at least one suicide every six months and it appears we’ve added murder to the mix. Meanwhile the State Bar does nothing and OBC continues to attack solo practitioners who might’ve misplaced a dime or taken more than 2 minutes to return a client phone call. Don’t forget though, you can get three free therapy appointments if you out yourself to the Bar. Nevermind that employee assistance programs can provide the same service without requiring people to out themselves.
The family court is irretrievably broken. What happened is not a surprise for long time family law practitioners. It was never a matter of if, but when. The attorneys involved were not known for their ethical conduct or reasonableness. The judge checked out years ago. Family court is full of judges who reward the bad behavior of certain attorneys and so it continues.
The text messages are disgusting, but they are nothing new if you’re at all familiar with family court. And now we have the family going to the media, showing one side of the story and promising to continue to drag the only innocent parties (the children) through more family court hell. This is a tragedy of monumental proportions and I have a sad feeling that nothing is going to change.
I’m working and don’t have time to add supporting points but I agree with everything you’re posting. Others can simply not understand the underhanded deals between OBC and family law group. Even without obv it is corrupt as hell down here. Think back to days of del vechio and jones. That’s nothing compared to today.
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April 15, 2024 10:00 pm
In Family Court one can stand up and present evidence than a parent is abusing substances and or the children and the judge will simply yawn and send the parties to mediation to work out a parenting plan. No immediate drug testing, no supervised visitation the court aim’s for joint legal and joint physical custody in practically all cases.
I got through about the first two minutes of that press conference and had to quit. Just horrible. I don’t practice in Family Court and never will, but if statements such as those made in the text messages don’t carry any consequences, then we have a big problem down there.
Her family is presenting the Side of things they want you to do see- three text messages however horrible to do not paint the entire picture. Remember she was the one arrested for domestic battery – words are one thing but actions are another.
Sometimes they arrest both; sometimes just one or the other. it really isn’t dispositive of anything. Some of you may remember the Chip Centofanti case from 20 or so years ago. Different facts, but goes to show how volatile these situations can be and that you just never know what someone might be capable of.
The whole Prince/Houston situation is very difficult and hits very close to home for a lot of us, which understandably gets the emotions going.
That being the case, in addition to the extremely unpredictable and violent aspects of this situation, I am respectfully urging everyone, regardless of which side of the fence you happen to be on, to keep you comments respectful, i.e. not blaming the victims, and not blaming/attacking people who may be caught in the middle, or even on the fringe of this extremely unfortunate and sad situation.
I appreciate that many people might have an opinion on who they believe may have some or all of the fault for this situation, but we simply cannot let this blawg turn into an anonymous lynch mob.
There is a legal process which can, and will play out eventually, where everyone involved will have the opportunity to be heard and judged in publicly.
This is not the place to have that process play out.
That being said, and in an effort to keep the temperature down, I’m going to be Thwacking comments on all sides if I feel that they are not in line with this approach.
My apologies if you don’t like that, but we cannot have this blawg be the catalyst for more threats or violence.
The fact that a man even has a small girl arrested for DV is laughable. Remove yourself from the situation. There is no need to call the cops. I have a crazy ex-wife and there are many times she has done crazy things, but I am not going to have her arrested.
Absolutely not! A man does not have to accept abuse from a woman anymore than a woman has to accept abuse from a man. Obviously her family was presenting one side of the story, but that’s just it. One side. There’s more to the story.
I had a family member, who was much larger than his wife, and he was a victim of DV. She would hit him with a skillet when drunk. Eventually, he had enough and called the cops. She was arrested and convicted. He later killed himself. This idea that men can’t be the victims of DV is garbage.
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April 16, 2024 9:50 am
Apologies for participating in the thwack, fair moderator. . . .
I just hate it when a good judge gets lumped in with the dreck, because he made mistakes mostly unrelated to his judgeship or rather, his abilities as a judge.
Ready for another round of fighting.
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Day after day after day. the NVSC web team cannot do its job on a day to day basis. Either incompetence or plain laziness has infected the team. Ridiculous that 9 times out of 10 the public web search does not work.
The family of Ashley Prince had a press conference for the Review Journal this afternoon and provided some background about the custody dispute.
The video on youtube. Anyone know if her dad is Paul Page the former Metro cop?
yes he is
For anyone without time to watch, the family is represented by Dana Dwiggins. They intend to petition for guardianship of Dylan and Ashley’s children.
Pretty bold move to allow a client to do something like that. Could help, could backfire. Why take the risk of allowing a grieving client, currently involved in high-stakes litigation, to speak into a microphone in front of journalists on the subject matter of that litigation? Seems risky.
It was a very controlled presentation. I didn’t see anything that would create any problems. It’s a good move, IMO, because it dealt a pretty devastating blow to Dylan Houston. If half of what is said is true, it’s stunning. Dana knows what she is doing.
Judge Henderson is well intentioned and often has naive optimism that parents will act reasonably.
Whether intended or not, this basically says “Judge Henderson failed Ashley” while also placing public pressure on him for the guardianship case (which they may need to prevail if Dylan gets sober). Interesting
Judge Henderson won’t be handling the guardianship case, but yes the public pressure from this will be real in that matter.
now that the “one-family/one-judge” rule appears to have been removed from the EDCRs, you might be right.
He is not the same one. The police officer Paul Page looks very different in the review journal article
Paul Page, the former chairman of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Managers and Supervisors Association accused of misappropriating $38,521 in union funds?
Wasn’t going to mention that, but yeah. Our kids all went to grade school together and he has always been a heck of a nice guy, that one controversial incident notwithstanding.
It was tough watching his profound emotional pain in that video. They’re a nice family and with all the accolades and sympathy that Dennis Prince has gotten, it’s a good reminder that other people suffered as well.
No this is a different Paul page! This is common misconception!
So the father of Ashley in this video wasn’t at one time a Metro cop?
Yes he was a cop-retired. Below link is his wife’s business…
The father of Ashley was not the metro cop accused of fraud.
Yes look up the Paul Page from Metro. He is a very large man with a shaved head.
No.. This is him https://www.yelp.com/biz/inside-interiors-las-vegas-2
Or all the fraud cases against his wife and daughter ….
He is not. The family runs a interior design racket https://www.yelp.com/biz/inside-interiors-las-vegas-2
This is a correct term for the manner in which Artiques treats its clients.
He was a cop.
There is more than one Paul Pqge in Las Vegas, not the same man. Looks entirely different.
The most appropriate term for the Page family business
Interestingly (but perhaps not surprisingly) Artiques used to be represented by one Joseph Houston.
That was really hard to watch.
No joke. I know them personally and they’re good people. Most of us will never in our entire lives experience something that intense.
Yeah, just to be clear, I meant really hard to watch in terms of the overwhelming empathy. A dad reading those texts. Heartbreaking.
Did Dylan Houston get fired? His firm profile is gone.
You have to be pretty careful firing people for the collateral aspects of what can be fairly pointed to as addiction.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they pulled his profile and put him on some sort of paid absence.
But who knows. Either way, I can’t imagine him providing adequate legal representation to anyone in any capacity in the near future.
If addiction allows you to repeatedly threaten the life of the mother of your children then there’s essentially nothing off limits. Addiction doesn’t justify everything.
I’m not advocating for him to keep his job or work in our town, in our profession ever again.
Certainly not making any excuse or justification.
And if they have fired him, I hope his wrongful termination claims die at a very early stage with him owing costs.
But if his employer hasn’t fired him it may be because they want to terminate him properly, avoiding unnecessary litigation–ancillary benefit of it probably being the right thing to do.
Ready, fire, aim.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/o-j-s-executor-walks-back-harsh-remark-says-he-will-work-with-goldmans-3034389/?utm_campaign=widget&utm_medium=topnews&utm_source=homepage&utm_term=O.J.%E2%80%99s%20executor%20walks%20back%20%E2%80%98harsh%20remark%2C%E2%80%99%20says%20he%20will%20work%20with%20Goldmans
At least he walked the comments back and wasn’t afraid to say that he spoke rashly.
The quotes in the first article will still likely come back to haunt him in any dispute with the Goldmans. I practice in probate and cringed when I read the original comments. I would not want to defend those statements. But yes, this is at least somewhat mitigating.
You were relying on Malcolm Lavergne to give you a reasoned analysis on an Estate matter?
I just can’t believe those texts. What percentage of the population has ever spoken like that to anyone, much less the mother of their children? I get that he’s not the only one, but it’s a really small group that is that horrible. Shit down your throat? Chisel you down to nothing? Only want to see you in a casket?
When my wife and I were dating, she was baffled that I wouldn’t say anything negative about any of my ex-girlfriends. After we were married, she told me that was one of the reasons she felt she could trust me, that I would be loyal. Even if we divorced, and it was nasty, I couldn’t imagine ever speaking to her, or anyone else, like that. If anyone spoke like that to my family member, I’m not sure I could muster enough self-discipline. I’m afraid I would be too Sonny and not enough Michael.
It seems like part of the problem in family court is that the judges become numb to allegations and thereby lose the ability to discern between the bullshit and the real red flags. Maybe no human can be a family court judge without succumbing to that numbness and loss of discernment. Blame then, goes at least in part, to the parties who exaggerate and lie and wear the judges out, less able to see cases of real concern, like this one.
The texts are repugnant. I mean, wow.
The texts were horrible and the casket remark will haunt him forever. This was a beautiful, 30 year old mother.
I suspect it may haunt him at trial. Ironic that OJ died in Summerlin on the same week that this domestic dispute spilled all over our profession and town.
The texts are terrible. And I hope sharing them publicly is effective for her family.
I think you’d be very disappointed to learn what percentage of the population has ever spoken to someone like that, especially via text.
A very high percentage of women have received text messages like that or calls or remarks; and now they have to worry even more than they did that it’s more than emotions + drugs and alcohol, and the sender might be capable of what they’re alluding to.
I received far worse texts than that during my divorce/custody case. Those that are so shocked have obviously never gone though a high stakes, contentious family law case. The texts will come back to haunt him with the lens of hindsight, but without this tragedy, those texts are par for the family law course.
We didn’t get to hear about the texts that she may have sent to him. Do we know that she wasn’t saying similar things to him? I’m not victim blaming. It’s an objective question, if this was two-sided bickering or a clear cut case of him being the instigator. Family court is hell.
Thwack in 3..2..1..
Well said. These texts hardly stand out in the family court cesspool of bad actors. Cancel culture will deal Dylan a harsh sentence.
If I had a dollar for every vile voicemail, every horrible threatening text I’ve attached to a motion or played at trial, I could’ve retired ten years ago.
Happens a lot.
I hope we as practitioners can step in here to explain and differentiate what actually happens in family law cases versus what we as a society and profession are willing to accept in Family Law cases. Do vile text exchanges happen all of the time? Absolutely. Should they ever occur? Never. And we as attorneys need to tell our clients that for the sake of their children and their case, stop it. Stop right now. If you do this, I am firing you as a client. Attorneys get dragged into the muck with their clients. It is not OK. And yet we all know the attorneys who not only tolerate this crap but encourage it and a couple of them do it also. Stop it.
I have dropped many a client that refused to be controlled in their communications.
The Las Vegas legal community continues to be on track for at least one suicide every six months and it appears we’ve added murder to the mix. Meanwhile the State Bar does nothing and OBC continues to attack solo practitioners who might’ve misplaced a dime or taken more than 2 minutes to return a client phone call. Don’t forget though, you can get three free therapy appointments if you out yourself to the Bar. Nevermind that employee assistance programs can provide the same service without requiring people to out themselves.
The family court is irretrievably broken. What happened is not a surprise for long time family law practitioners. It was never a matter of if, but when. The attorneys involved were not known for their ethical conduct or reasonableness. The judge checked out years ago. Family court is full of judges who reward the bad behavior of certain attorneys and so it continues.
The text messages are disgusting, but they are nothing new if you’re at all familiar with family court. And now we have the family going to the media, showing one side of the story and promising to continue to drag the only innocent parties (the children) through more family court hell. This is a tragedy of monumental proportions and I have a sad feeling that nothing is going to change.
I’m working and don’t have time to add supporting points but I agree with everything you’re posting. Others can simply not understand the underhanded deals between OBC and family law group. Even without obv it is corrupt as hell down here. Think back to days of del vechio and jones. That’s nothing compared to today.
In Family Court one can stand up and present evidence than a parent is abusing substances and or the children and the judge will simply yawn and send the parties to mediation to work out a parenting plan. No immediate drug testing, no supervised visitation the court aim’s for joint legal and joint physical custody in practically all cases.
This happens only occasionally and is the exception, not the rule.
20+ family law practitioner.
Your periodic reminder that the state bar only suspended someone six months and a day for bringing a gun to a deposition:
https://www.nvbar.org/wp-content/uploads/Pengilly-James-9-7-18-Suspension.pdf
Brandishing a gun.
I got through about the first two minutes of that press conference and had to quit. Just horrible. I don’t practice in Family Court and never will, but if statements such as those made in the text messages don’t carry any consequences, then we have a big problem down there.
Her family is presenting the Side of things they want you to do see- three text messages however horrible to do not paint the entire picture. Remember she was the one arrested for domestic battery – words are one thing but actions are another.
The “one arrested” for BDV is rarely dispositive. Metro eff this up all the time . . . . like, ALL the time.
Sometimes they arrest both; sometimes just one or the other. it really isn’t dispositive of anything. Some of you may remember the Chip Centofanti case from 20 or so years ago. Different facts, but goes to show how volatile these situations can be and that you just never know what someone might be capable of.
The whole Prince/Houston situation is very difficult and hits very close to home for a lot of us, which understandably gets the emotions going.
That being the case, in addition to the extremely unpredictable and violent aspects of this situation, I am respectfully urging everyone, regardless of which side of the fence you happen to be on, to keep you comments respectful, i.e. not blaming the victims, and not blaming/attacking people who may be caught in the middle, or even on the fringe of this extremely unfortunate and sad situation.
I appreciate that many people might have an opinion on who they believe may have some or all of the fault for this situation, but we simply cannot let this blawg turn into an anonymous lynch mob.
There is a legal process which can, and will play out eventually, where everyone involved will have the opportunity to be heard and judged in publicly.
This is not the place to have that process play out.
That being said, and in an effort to keep the temperature down, I’m going to be Thwacking comments on all sides if I feel that they are not in line with this approach.
My apologies if you don’t like that, but we cannot have this blawg be the catalyst for more threats or violence.
The fact that a man even has a small girl arrested for DV is laughable. Remove yourself from the situation. There is no need to call the cops. I have a crazy ex-wife and there are many times she has done crazy things, but I am not going to have her arrested.
Absolutely not! A man does not have to accept abuse from a woman anymore than a woman has to accept abuse from a man. Obviously her family was presenting one side of the story, but that’s just it. One side. There’s more to the story.
I had a family member, who was much larger than his wife, and he was a victim of DV. She would hit him with a skillet when drunk. Eventually, he had enough and called the cops. She was arrested and convicted. He later killed himself. This idea that men can’t be the victims of DV is garbage.
Apologies for participating in the thwack, fair moderator. . . .
I just hate it when a good judge gets lumped in with the dreck, because he made mistakes mostly unrelated to his judgeship or rather, his abilities as a judge.
That used his position for profit.
No argument that he did that. But he was a good judge for many years and exceptionally preferable to many sitting on the Fct bench today.
Absolutely true. Also, I never saw any prejudice for/against male/female like I see currently at Family Court.
It used to exist regularly. Especially with a certain former judge that was accused of sexual harassment against his clerk / step daugher.
If you live on Robbers Roost, you have to see this coming.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/elderly-henderson-couple-beaten-during-home-invasion-man-arrested-3034700/?utm_campaign=widget&utm_medium=topnews&utm_source=homepage&utm_term=Elderly%20Henderson%20couple%20beaten%20during%20home%20invasion%3B%20man%20arrested