After a petition from a Boyd 2020 law student, the Nevada Supreme Court is reconsidering this summer’s bar exam in ADKT 0558. Will they opt for diploma privilege? Does it make any sense at point? [TNI]
The Legislature is still going strong in its second session—addressing COVID-19 business liability in a late night session. [TNI]
They are also trying to address eviction protections. [Las Vegas Sun]
Governor Sisolak announced the new targeted COVID-19 response plan. [RJ]
Attorney Mark Thierman plans to take the fight against DETR to the Supreme Court after Judge Breslow’s refusal to find the agency in contempt. [News3LV]
This is such a hard subject though. If it's diploma privilege for the class of 2020, is it then diploma privilege to the people who keep trying to pass the bar? I know of someone on their 5th attempt, do they waive in automatically? Is that any better for the legal field out here than just postponing the bar or letting the class of 2020 do the equivalent of student practice certification for a few weeks/months until they get licensed? Also, it's a bold assumption to say you're losing 2 weeks of practice when there's a 40-50% chance you would have to take it again. I have lots of thoughts on this topic.
I think they should either postpone the bar exam or set up multiple testing sites with caps on the amount of staff/exam takers and social distancing measures in place.
Also, I read the article – seriously, "grave, collective personal injuries"? I'm embarrassed for this generation. Taking the bar online without an MBE, two weeks later than originally scheduled, is hardly NIED. C'mon, Boyd students, life is hard, and things shouldn't just be handed to you because it's inconvenient to find another solution.
I had someone in my class (Boyd 2014) who constantly mis-characterized cases in her draft appellate briefs in the legal writing course the 1L year, seemed to make-up facts not contained in the cases so that she could use unrelated cases, and seemed to have a disconnect from what was outright falsifying evidence to 'prove' the case and what was using actual facts and case law to argue her hypothetical client's position. I would have been terrified for any client of hers if she had become an attorney. I don't think she could have ever retained a job as an associate so she would have gone out on her own eventually and her clients would have been screwed. Fortunately, she has failed the bar exam five or six times, failed the MPRE the first 2-3 times she took it, and just gave up and is now a paralegal at a law firm doing – of all things, family law (where the penchant to make $#!+ up is rewarded ironically.).
The bar exam requirement worked in that situation. Honestly, that's kind of what I see as its purpose. Law schools will graduate just about anyone with a 2.0 or higher and who pays tuition. I don't think I want the law school, who has to pay extreme salaries to overpaid faculty, deciding who can be an attorney and who cannot.
The Dean of UNLV Boyd has been pushing diploma privileges and the UBE. Boyd professors don't have to take the bar exam–they waive in. I doubt the Supreme Court will grant diploma privileges to Boyd. The exam is being postponed not done away with it. There has to be something to test competency. UNLV Boyd does not require Evidence as a required course/class. The law school has done a fine job but their graduates need to take the bar exam. By the way, I have found in my own circle that those who had trouble with the bar exam become disciplinary problems later on. Keep the bar exam. Open book/closed book does not matter.
Only those professors who practice in a Boyd clinic are able to waive in, the remainder have to take the bar if they desire to practice. Professor Chang, for example, took the NV bar exam after he was hired by the school.
Boyd now requires students to take evidence. I can’t recall whether it was a requirement for c/o 2020, or if it began with 2021.
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August 4, 2020 5:14 pm
I am 100% against waiving the bar exam. Am I an outlier on this? Either postpone it or grant a provisional, temporary license that's good until the exam is administered next year. Easy solution. The bar exam serves an important function of weeding out incapable people (law schools, thirsty for tuition money, regularly admit less than capable students).
Agreed – temporary/restricted license as long as you pass character and fitness and work under supervision of and experienced lawyer (no solo practice) who agrees to monitor your work – like most new associated do anyway. License would lapse if you don't take and pass either the February or July '21 bar. Seems like an easy enough solution which is probably why it will not be implemented.
Also, I suppose this would have to be restricted to first or maybe second-time takers. You would not want all the people who have failed five times to suddenly be getting temporary licenses. They'd probably all sue based on equal protection or something though. So maybe our idea here is not so great after all.
@1:53 That kind of rational response would get lost among all the whiny comments submitted to the supreme ct for this topic. That's exactly what the Bar should do.
I went to one of the 'shitty fourth tier toilet diploma mills' and after 5 years of being out on my own, with my own firm I grossed $1.1 Million. AND I don't have a boat load of debt as I potentially would if I went to a top tier school. But to each their own…
11:01 – You know that revenue from a firm is not the same as being a good attorney, right? Not only does a blind squirrel find a nut sometimes, but there areas of the law in which being a good attorney are actually a hindrance to a financially successful practice. Finally, "gross" revenue means nothing. Even if your "gross" was fully collectible, it is your net that matters.
It used to be that University of Wisconsin grads did not have to take the Wisconsin bar, and you could waive in to Colorado if your Multistate score was high enough. Not sure if that is still the case.
Hey, 10:21, I graduated from such an institution and am now one of the best attorneys in my field. Boyd grads, however, consistently disappoint. Don't know why. On paper it should not happen, but it does.
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August 4, 2020 5:50 pm
all the people kicking 10:21's ass in Court are likely fourth tier toilet diploma mill recipients – that's why he is bitter lol
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August 4, 2020 8:22 pm
Tuition's not cheap at those fourth-tier shitholes…
I always think it's weird when people cite money as a reason to go to a bad school. Some of the most expensive schools in the country are some of the worst, and I doubt there is any significant correlation between quality and cost. If someone means "I could get a good scholarship at a 4th tier school" then great, but lets not pretend someone going to TJ or St. Mary's passed up on paying full freight at top schools.
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August 4, 2020 9:31 pm
All of you virtue signaling Obama voters happy yet?
Obama isn't running. He already won. Twice. Oh and he stopped a global pandemic while he was in office, but whatever. Also, liberals are never happy. More more more of YOUR tax dollars. That's what we want. Anyways, there can't be Obama voters because Obama isn't running. Byeeeeee
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September 4, 2020 3:28 am
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All of this was completely predictable. It should have been diploma privilege from the start.
This is such a hard subject though. If it's diploma privilege for the class of 2020, is it then diploma privilege to the people who keep trying to pass the bar? I know of someone on their 5th attempt, do they waive in automatically? Is that any better for the legal field out here than just postponing the bar or letting the class of 2020 do the equivalent of student practice certification for a few weeks/months until they get licensed? Also, it's a bold assumption to say you're losing 2 weeks of practice when there's a 40-50% chance you would have to take it again. I have lots of thoughts on this topic.
I think they should either postpone the bar exam or set up multiple testing sites with caps on the amount of staff/exam takers and social distancing measures in place.
Also, I read the article – seriously, "grave, collective personal injuries"? I'm embarrassed for this generation. Taking the bar online without an MBE, two weeks later than originally scheduled, is hardly NIED. C'mon, Boyd students, life is hard, and things shouldn't just be handed to you because it's inconvenient to find another solution.
I had someone in my class (Boyd 2014) who constantly mis-characterized cases in her draft appellate briefs in the legal writing course the 1L year, seemed to make-up facts not contained in the cases so that she could use unrelated cases, and seemed to have a disconnect from what was outright falsifying evidence to 'prove' the case and what was using actual facts and case law to argue her hypothetical client's position. I would have been terrified for any client of hers if she had become an attorney. I don't think she could have ever retained a job as an associate so she would have gone out on her own eventually and her clients would have been screwed. Fortunately, she has failed the bar exam five or six times, failed the MPRE the first 2-3 times she took it, and just gave up and is now a paralegal at a law firm doing – of all things, family law (where the penchant to make $#!+ up is rewarded ironically.).
The bar exam requirement worked in that situation. Honestly, that's kind of what I see as its purpose. Law schools will graduate just about anyone with a 2.0 or higher and who pays tuition. I don't think I want the law school, who has to pay extreme salaries to overpaid faculty, deciding who can be an attorney and who cannot.
Just put Elissa Cadish in charge. She will take care of everything. No worries.
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Megan Ortiz would not be hired by me or my firm. @9:49 is spot on. Grow up people. You're an embarrassment to Nevada and the bar.
The Dean of UNLV Boyd has been pushing diploma privileges and the UBE. Boyd professors don't have to take the bar exam–they waive in. I doubt the Supreme Court will grant diploma privileges to Boyd. The exam is being postponed not done away with it. There has to be something to test competency. UNLV Boyd does not require Evidence as a required course/class. The law school has done a fine job but their graduates need to take the bar exam. By the way, I have found in my own circle that those who had trouble with the bar exam become disciplinary problems later on. Keep the bar exam. Open book/closed book does not matter.
Only those professors who practice in a Boyd clinic are able to waive in, the remainder have to take the bar if they desire to practice. Professor Chang, for example, took the NV bar exam after he was hired by the school.
Boyd now requires students to take evidence. I can’t recall whether it was a requirement for c/o 2020, or if it began with 2021.
I am 100% against waiving the bar exam. Am I an outlier on this? Either postpone it or grant a provisional, temporary license that's good until the exam is administered next year. Easy solution. The bar exam serves an important function of weeding out incapable people (law schools, thirsty for tuition money, regularly admit less than capable students).
Agreed – temporary/restricted license as long as you pass character and fitness and work under supervision of and experienced lawyer (no solo practice) who agrees to monitor your work – like most new associated do anyway. License would lapse if you don't take and pass either the February or July '21 bar. Seems like an easy enough solution which is probably why it will not be implemented.
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Also, I suppose this would have to be restricted to first or maybe second-time takers. You would not want all the people who have failed five times to suddenly be getting temporary licenses. They'd probably all sue based on equal protection or something though. So maybe our idea here is not so great after all.
"Too dumb to pass the bar on the fifth try" would not be considered a suspect class….so I think we'd be ok on the equal protection claim.
@1:53 That kind of rational response would get lost among all the whiny comments submitted to the supreme ct for this topic. That's exactly what the Bar should do.
This is so spot on it's ludicrous that it's not the current plan. I won't hire a boyd 2020 grad. Sorry – truth.
Good on you 3:02. Might save you time if you didn't post anonymously so the 2020 Asterisks know where they need not apply.
How about diploma privilge for top 20% of a class?
For all schools? Even the shitty fourth tier toilet diploma mills?
Ouch…
I went to one of the 'shitty fourth tier toilet diploma mills' and after 5 years of being out on my own, with my own firm I grossed $1.1 Million. AND I don't have a boat load of debt as I potentially would if I went to a top tier school. But to each their own…
10:16 here– only for UNLV.
11:01 – You know that revenue from a firm is not the same as being a good attorney, right? Not only does a blind squirrel find a nut sometimes, but there areas of the law in which being a good attorney are actually a hindrance to a financially successful practice. Finally, "gross" revenue means nothing. Even if your "gross" was fully collectible, it is your net that matters.
It used to be that University of Wisconsin grads did not have to take the Wisconsin bar, and you could waive in to Colorado if your Multistate score was high enough. Not sure if that is still the case.
Hey, 10:21, I graduated from such an institution and am now one of the best attorneys in my field. Boyd grads, however, consistently disappoint. Don't know why. On paper it should not happen, but it does.
all the people kicking 10:21's ass in Court are likely fourth tier toilet diploma mill recipients – that's why he is bitter lol
Tuition's not cheap at those fourth-tier shitholes…
I always think it's weird when people cite money as a reason to go to a bad school. Some of the most expensive schools in the country are some of the worst, and I doubt there is any significant correlation between quality and cost. If someone means "I could get a good scholarship at a 4th tier school" then great, but lets not pretend someone going to TJ or St. Mary's passed up on paying full freight at top schools.
All of you virtue signaling Obama voters happy yet?
Obama isn't running. He already won. Twice. Oh and he stopped a global pandemic while he was in office, but whatever. Also, liberals are never happy. More more more of YOUR tax dollars. That's what we want. Anyways, there can't be Obama voters because Obama isn't running. Byeeeeee
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