Re law student: Wow. I could never do criminal law. Two go in the room. One comes out. The other is bloody and beaten to death. What else is there to say?
If I remember correctly from a previous article, he tells police he remembers hitting her then blacking out. I'm not sure what other side to the story there is going to be…
Law student accused of murder–another fine upstanding California law student/law grad (Chapman Folwer accorindg to Mercury News). I bet he will be allowed to sit for the Cali bar. Murder conviction, no problem not a disqualification. And if the diploma privilege crowd and the UBE proponents have their way, why not let him waive into the bar from behind bars. https://meaww.com/who-is-justin-medof-california-law-student-charged-beating-girlfriend-to-death-in-las-vegas-hotel
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July 22, 2021 7:24 pm
re Seigel – looks like trying to comply with the letter of the law while completely violating the spirit of it
It says much that the for-profit private entity that actually helps the downtrodden is being persecuted by the incompetent malevolent morons who oppress the downtrodden. No good deed goes unpunished. Siegel Suites should be the subject of adoring documentaries, glittery public awards, and repeated glowing news stories.
Anyone who thinks Siegel "helps the downtrodden" is simply erroneous. I represent landlords. Let me tell you that Siegel has always been and continued during the pandemic to be one of the most aggressive eviction outfits in the valley. Now we can debate the policy reasons why evictions needed to continue during the pandemic. But we cannot debate that Siegel is or ever has been a benevolent entity.
Siegel is aggressive, which is why they are still operating. However, lest you beat on Siegel too hard, consider that it provides a service that makes housing available to those that could not rent elsewhere. Not a charity. It is a rough business, with rough tenants. Repeat, it is in business to make money in an arena with significant operating and liability risks in which few others will operate.
@ 12:24, the "spirit of the law" isn't really a thing. The eviction moratorium was a narrowly-written law to prevent people from being evicted for non-payment of rent. If you read these articles, these evictions were all taken before a court of law where a JUDGE found that the moratorium didn't apply to these evictions. It's not like Siegel was just kicking people out on the street without judicial process. If Congress has a problem with people being evicted for things like tenants committing murder in the units, or intentionally burning the units, or gutting the units of all furniture and fixtures, or any of the number of things that obviously weren't covered by the moratorium, then they should have addressed that when they wrote it. Let's not pretend the evictions that were JUDICIALLY-APPROVED were just evictions based on non-payment of rent.
8:17– Except that is not what happens in Eviction Court and I suspect you know that is not what happened. Summary evictions are ramrodded through without a hearing where tenants fail to file answers. Eviction Department isnt scrutinizing summary evictions for moratorium compliance. In fact as you may have heard, the appeal reversal rate in 2020 from summary evictions was anecdotally around 75%. Lets not pretend that the summary eviction system is built on due process.
I don't blame Siegel for playing the game and getting what it could get in tough economic times. What the R/J and then Congress seemed to pick up on was that the eviction rate stayed the same when one would expect that it would decline at least by the number of pay-or-quit evictions (unless Siegel can show that the number of evictions for " committing murder in the units, or intentionally burning the units, or gutting the units of all furniture and fixtures" went up by exactly the same number as the evictions for payment of rent went down. Otherwise its all pretextual.
Siegel Suites and others like them (1) deactivate key cards to access units without due process of the eviction procedure if a tenant is 5 minutes late; and they get all the mail, denying tenants their eviction "notice" that is required to be mailed and, if by chance the tenant actually gets the notice on the door, and files a tenant answer – they toss the Notice of Hearing and the tenant doesn't show and is summarily evicted. Yeah, they're above board. NOT. Perfect storm for an attorney to find these clients and either get the $15000 for every illegal eviction in Justice Court or just go with the CDC guidelines and go for the $150,000 fine per infraction. I'm not a lawyer or I'd be all OVER it.
@ 8:32 pm, It's a good thing you're not a lawyer because none of that "$15,000 for every illegal infraction" would work. Judges have heard these arguments from tenants and STILL approved the evictions, which means there's obviously much more going on here on the side of the tenants than you're aware of. It's the Siegel Suites, not the Queensridge condos; these aren't exactly upstanding citizens being evicted. If these tenants are being evicted it's because the Suites had to overcame a substantially high bar to do so.
In 1986 an attorney died in the corridors of the old County Court house, near the door of one of the courtrooms. The marshals left him there, and Attorneys were practically walking over him to get into the courtroom. I am glad we now how personnel with better training.
3:13, I remember that. Believe it was Lorin Parraguirre, younger brother of the late Paul Parraguirre, who was a long-serving Nye County District Court Judge as well as the father of current Justice Ron Parraguirre.
Back in '86, an attorney returned to the office telling me about the situation, as he had just left that department(I believe for the same hearing that Mr. Parraguirre participated in) and they explained it just as 3:13 has now explained it 35 years later.
Probably part of a course on Employment Law aka The Many Different Ways Bosses and Coworkers Can Screw You Over and What To Do About It.
Should be part of every law student's repertoire. Similarly, Business Organizations ("Partners Can Be Assholes: Protect Yourself With These Simple Tricks") should be required too.
If this is interference, then why bother having an election? Just give the unions the keys to the casino.
In a 34-page ruling dated Tuesday, U.S. District Court Judge Gloria Navarro agreed with arguments by the National Labor Relations Board’s regional office that the casino operator’s announcement of a new incentives and benefits package for employees was timed to interfere with the union election at the company’s flagship property in Summerlin.
>She added that evidence showed VP Fortino sent the chief operating officer of Station Casinos a text message “indicating that they needed to announce the benefits as soon as possible because of the Union’s petition for election.”
The article really buried the lede, but yeah, the casino did this *specifically because of* the upcoming union vote.
@10:19 it seems like you're just making policy arguments unmoored from the legal standards articulated in the order. The fact that casinos "should" be able to time their activities to their advantage does not mean that they "can."
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July 23, 2021 8:14 pm
And another attorney dies from Covid, this time a well regarded civil/appellate partner in a fairly large firm. In his 60s, not overweight, no apparent health conditions. There are also reports of more positive cases among the courthouse marshals. It's incredibly sad that this is not taken seriously by so many people in our community.
Yes, 1:29 is right. The important thing here is to affirm his/her already existing beliefs. Certainly not to mourn the loss of one of our colleagues or what can be done to stop more deaths. I have heard of this person passing, but haven't said much because I respect the rights of the firm and the family to be the ones who announce the death. It is very sad. I had very limited interactions with this attorney, but he was very gracious with his time and advice with appellate questions.
I heard it was Mike Wall of Hutchison & Steffen. Rumor I heard from someone else is he was in hospital for four weeks. Unsure if he was vaccinated or not.
I clerked under Mike a few years back… terrible news if true. He was a great guy with an incredible legal mind. Thinking of him reminds me of his deeply-rooted hatred for the term "esquire" and the hour-long lesson on the sexist history of the term you were in for if you used Esq. on any of the pleadings you prepared for him.
2:47–that's interesting. I was not aware that it was a terribly sexist term. I always thought Esquire was some archaic Anglo term for land-owning gentry, which, I suppose, was primarily male.
What were the seriously sexist implications of the term that offended him so greatly? I try to learn something new each day. So what is the history of it?
And yes, I have heard some real good things about him, and truly pray that the rumor is false.
@9:50, I believe his aversion to the term had something to do with the old English practice where only male nobility could utilize the courts. Simply put, the work-around when a male without nobility wished to practice law, the powers at be could confer upon him the title of "squire" – which was the lowest title of nobility that could be given. Since women could not be a squire and were not permitted to access the courts, I believe he felt this term should have been left back in time with the rest of the archaic English titles.
To most people, this wouldn't seem like a big deal or something even worth a second thought. But, if you knew Mike, he had his quirks – which was one of the things that made him such a damn good lawyer.
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July 23, 2021 9:00 pm
Aw man I hope it's not Mike. He was a great guy and I loved working with him.
No idea who the attorney who died from Covid is. But, I can think of at least 1 other attorney who fits the stated description. Not a Vegas firm, but regional (maybe national, not sure, but well known and regarded nonetheless).
I have no idea which post you were meaning to reply but it appears that you are stating someone discussed above was a bore. I hope you will return and clarify your meaning.
Ahhhh. After the Trump rally last night I feel refreshed, patriotic and filled with hope that our country may possibly survive this attack by the Communist leftists.
Ah yes, Donald "My Struggle" Trump, brilliant orator and perpetual victim. Who could forget this timeless eloquence from last night, sure to be remembered on equal footing as the Gettysburg Address:
"The county has, for whatever reason, also refused to produce the network routers. We want the routers, Sonny, Wendy, we got to get those routers, please. The routers. Come on, Kelly, we can get those routers. Those routers. You know what? We’re so beyond the routers, there’s so many fraudulent votes without the routers. But if you got those routers, what that will show, and they don’t want to give up the routers. They don’t want to give them. They are fighting like hell. Why are these commissioners fighting not to give the routers?”
The constitution vests the whole judicial power of the United States in one supreme court, and such inferior courts as congress shall, from time to time, ordain and establish.
MARBURY v. MADISON, 5 U.S. 137 (1803).
Is that what we're doing? Posting Supreme Court cases without context or analysis? This is fun. What a time to be a lawyer.
I hope that's true. I used to really like her as a judge. Didn't appear before her for a few years. Was assigned a few cases recently before her and she is so unpleasant, imo. To me, her demeanor has become a hybrid of arrogance and rudeness. I don't recall her being that way before. Still not as bad as Kishner, but close.
I am still a BG fan. I hope it's not her health. She deserves the best retirement ever after her long, faithful, and just service to the Courts of Nevada.
Hardest working attorney I ever worked with / for. She, at least early on was the same as a jurist. If its true, may she live long and prosper. She should've run for NSC and brought some sanity there.
8:08- She was going to run for the Supreme Court and then elected not to have to mess around with having to deal with Hardesty. If you ever can get her to talk candidly about it (and she might now that she is retired), the prospect of dealing with him made her stay in Clark County.
808 here. That actually does not surprise me. Nonetheless, in any event, those of us that have known her for many years appreciate her service. I hope she lands a cush gig at Lewis & Roca.
Egads, not Lewis & Roca. She's a triple Alpha, and there's enough of that at LR. MAClaw or Hutch's would be a better fit. She'd energize either one of those places. Put some starch in 'em.
No JAMS! If she goes that route, I'd suggest ARM. I adore her, but she has zero mediation skills. Her special talents would serve her and her clients well as an arbitrator. In fact, she would shoot to the top of my arbitration referral list. She would also make an incredible Business Law professor. I would even audit the class.
She is good arbitrator but also a really good mediator Worst thing that happened to her mediation ability is trying to jam (no pun intended) a Business Court Settlement Conference into three hours. But she is very good and being able to talk to business clients businessperson to businessperson.
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July 26, 2021 2:39 am
Darn, upset.
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July 26, 2021 5:33 am
Betsy was an arrogant attorney. Then she became a judge. Hope she retires sooner than later.
and wrong. I mean not a little wrong. I mean REALLY REALLY WRONG, like shoot from the hip wrong. And she is cocksure certain that she is correct. She is dangerously bad on the bench.
Re law student: Wow. I could never do criminal law. Two go in the room. One comes out. The other is bloody and beaten to death. What else is there to say?
If I remember correctly from a previous article, he tells police he remembers hitting her then blacking out. I'm not sure what other side to the story there is going to be…
Gee, it looks like he's going to have a tough time with C&F (Character & Fitness). 😉
…there but for the grace of God go I….
Law student accused of murder–another fine upstanding California law student/law grad (Chapman Folwer accorindg to Mercury News). I bet he will be allowed to sit for the Cali bar. Murder conviction, no problem not a disqualification. And if the diploma privilege crowd and the UBE proponents have their way, why not let him waive into the bar from behind bars.
https://meaww.com/who-is-justin-medof-california-law-student-charged-beating-girlfriend-to-death-in-las-vegas-hotel
re Seigel – looks like trying to comply with the letter of the law while completely violating the spirit of it
It says much that the for-profit private entity that actually helps the downtrodden is being persecuted by the incompetent malevolent morons who oppress the downtrodden. No good deed goes unpunished. Siegel Suites should be the subject of adoring documentaries, glittery public awards, and repeated glowing news stories.
Anyone who thinks Siegel "helps the downtrodden" is simply erroneous. I represent landlords. Let me tell you that Siegel has always been and continued during the pandemic to be one of the most aggressive eviction outfits in the valley. Now we can debate the policy reasons why evictions needed to continue during the pandemic. But we cannot debate that Siegel is or ever has been a benevolent entity.
Siegel is aggressive, which is why they are still operating. However, lest you beat on Siegel too hard, consider that it provides a service that makes housing available to those that could not rent elsewhere. Not a charity. It is a rough business, with rough tenants. Repeat, it is in business to make money in an arena with significant operating and liability risks in which few others will operate.
The rich get richer during this pandemic by obtaining PP loans.
@ 3:36
What BS. Are you the non-lawyer troll?
Only the rich don't pay their bills and take PPP loans.
As I've said many times, the PPP loans I took were simply a large tax refund.
@ 12:24, the "spirit of the law" isn't really a thing. The eviction moratorium was a narrowly-written law to prevent people from being evicted for non-payment of rent. If you read these articles, these evictions were all taken before a court of law where a JUDGE found that the moratorium didn't apply to these evictions. It's not like Siegel was just kicking people out on the street without judicial process. If Congress has a problem with people being evicted for things like tenants committing murder in the units, or intentionally burning the units, or gutting the units of all furniture and fixtures, or any of the number of things that obviously weren't covered by the moratorium, then they should have addressed that when they wrote it. Let's not pretend the evictions that were JUDICIALLY-APPROVED were just evictions based on non-payment of rent.
8:17– Except that is not what happens in Eviction Court and I suspect you know that is not what happened. Summary evictions are ramrodded through without a hearing where tenants fail to file answers. Eviction Department isnt scrutinizing summary evictions for moratorium compliance. In fact as you may have heard, the appeal reversal rate in 2020 from summary evictions was anecdotally around 75%. Lets not pretend that the summary eviction system is built on due process.
I don't blame Siegel for playing the game and getting what it could get in tough economic times. What the R/J and then Congress seemed to pick up on was that the eviction rate stayed the same when one would expect that it would decline at least by the number of pay-or-quit evictions (unless Siegel can show that the number of evictions for " committing murder in the units, or intentionally burning the units, or gutting the units of all furniture and fixtures" went up by exactly the same number as the evictions for payment of rent went down. Otherwise its all pretextual.
Siegel Suites and others like them (1) deactivate key cards to access units without due process of the eviction procedure if a tenant is 5 minutes late; and they get all the mail, denying tenants their eviction "notice" that is required to be mailed and, if by chance the tenant actually gets the notice on the door, and files a tenant answer – they toss the Notice of Hearing and the tenant doesn't show and is summarily evicted. Yeah, they're above board. NOT. Perfect storm for an attorney to find these clients and either get the $15000 for every illegal eviction in Justice Court or just go with the CDC guidelines and go for the $150,000 fine per infraction. I'm not a lawyer or I'd be all OVER it.
@ 8:32 pm, It's a good thing you're not a lawyer because none of that "$15,000 for every illegal infraction" would work. Judges have heard these arguments from tenants and STILL approved the evictions, which means there's obviously much more going on here on the side of the tenants than you're aware of. It's the Siegel Suites, not the Queensridge condos; these aren't exactly upstanding citizens being evicted. If these tenants are being evicted it's because the Suites had to overcame a substantially high bar to do so.
State police win at arbitration with the State. https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/state-police-union-wins-salary-bump-through-collective-bargaining-arbitration-litigation-possible
In 1986 an attorney died in the corridors of the old County Court house, near the door of one of the courtrooms. The marshals left him there, and Attorneys were practically walking over him to get into the courtroom. I am glad we now how personnel with better training.
Better training? It is called being a human being. Anyone in the judiciary who allows this shit to happen deserves to go to hell
3:13, I remember that. Believe it was Lorin Parraguirre, younger brother of the late Paul Parraguirre, who was a long-serving Nye County District Court Judge as well as the father of current Justice Ron Parraguirre.
Back in '86, an attorney returned to the office telling me about the situation, as he had just left that department(I believe for the same hearing that Mr. Parraguirre participated in) and they explained it just as 3:13 has now explained it 35 years later.
Highly disturbing and shocking.
That was a couple of years before my time, but I know someone who was in the courtroom when it happened. True story, as others have noted above.
The culinary lost the election and this judge is just overruling it? I hated labor law in law school for good reason.
You took labor law in law school? WT everloving F for? #WasteOfTime
Probably part of a course on Employment Law aka The Many Different Ways Bosses and Coworkers Can Screw You Over and What To Do About It.
Should be part of every law student's repertoire. Similarly, Business Organizations ("Partners Can Be Assholes: Protect Yourself With These Simple Tricks") should be required too.
If you even glanced at the story you can see that the judge found the casino interfered with that election.
If this is interference, then why bother having an election? Just give the unions the keys to the casino.
In a 34-page ruling dated Tuesday, U.S. District Court Judge Gloria Navarro agreed with arguments by the National Labor Relations Board’s regional office that the casino operator’s announcement of a new incentives and benefits package for employees was timed to interfere with the union election at the company’s flagship property in Summerlin.
>She added that evidence showed VP Fortino sent the chief operating officer of Station Casinos a text message “indicating that they needed to announce the benefits as soon as possible because of the Union’s petition for election.”
The article really buried the lede, but yeah, the casino did this *specifically because of* the upcoming union vote.
So what ? ? ?
Does anyone believe the unions NEVER time activities to their (not their members') advantage?
@10:19 it seems like you're just making policy arguments unmoored from the legal standards articulated in the order. The fact that casinos "should" be able to time their activities to their advantage does not mean that they "can."
And another attorney dies from Covid, this time a well regarded civil/appellate partner in a fairly large firm. In his 60s, not overweight, no apparent health conditions. There are also reports of more positive cases among the courthouse marshals. It's incredibly sad that this is not taken seriously by so many people in our community.
Are you sure he died from covid, and not the vaccine?
Who passed away?
Yes, 1:29 is right. The important thing here is to affirm his/her already existing beliefs. Certainly not to mourn the loss of one of our colleagues or what can be done to stop more deaths. I have heard of this person passing, but haven't said much because I respect the rights of the firm and the family to be the ones who announce the death. It is very sad. I had very limited interactions with this attorney, but he was very gracious with his time and advice with appellate questions.
I heard it was Mike Wall of Hutchison & Steffen. Rumor I heard from someone else is he was in hospital for four weeks. Unsure if he was vaccinated or not.
If that is true, it is SO sad. Quality attorney — quality guy.
I clerked under Mike a few years back… terrible news if true. He was a great guy with an incredible legal mind. Thinking of him reminds me of his deeply-rooted hatred for the term "esquire" and the hour-long lesson on the sexist history of the term you were in for if you used Esq. on any of the pleadings you prepared for him.
2:47–that's interesting. I was not aware that it was a terribly sexist term. I always thought Esquire was some archaic Anglo term for land-owning gentry, which, I suppose, was primarily male.
What were the seriously sexist implications of the term that offended him so greatly? I try to learn something new each day. So what is the history of it?
And yes, I have heard some real good things about him, and truly pray that the rumor is false.
@9:50, I believe his aversion to the term had something to do with the old English practice where only male nobility could utilize the courts. Simply put, the work-around when a male without nobility wished to practice law, the powers at be could confer upon him the title of "squire" – which was the lowest title of nobility that could be given. Since women could not be a squire and were not permitted to access the courts, I believe he felt this term should have been left back in time with the rest of the archaic English titles.
To most people, this wouldn't seem like a big deal or something even worth a second thought. But, if you knew Mike, he had his quirks – which was one of the things that made him such a damn good lawyer.
Aw man I hope it's not Mike. He was a great guy and I loved working with him.
No idea who the attorney who died from Covid is. But, I can think of at least 1 other attorney who fits the stated description. Not a Vegas firm, but regional (maybe national, not sure, but well known and regarded nonetheless).
Really?
What a bore.
I hope that story isnt true.
I have no idea which post you were meaning to reply but it appears that you are stating someone discussed above was a bore. I hope you will return and clarify your meaning.
#freetrumpy
#freebonniebulla
#freewaynenewton
#freethenipple
https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/more-nevadans-getting-vaccinated-as-covid-19-delta-variant-spreads-2406100/
dead men walking
true
Amen
Ahhhh. After the Trump rally last night I feel refreshed, patriotic and filled with hope that our country may possibly survive this attack by the Communist leftists.
Amen part deux.
Ah yes, Donald "My Struggle" Trump, brilliant orator and perpetual victim. Who could forget this timeless eloquence from last night, sure to be remembered on equal footing as the Gettysburg Address:
"The county has, for whatever reason, also refused to produce the network routers. We want the routers, Sonny, Wendy, we got to get those routers, please. The routers. Come on, Kelly, we can get those routers. Those routers. You know what? We’re so beyond the routers, there’s so many fraudulent votes without the routers. But if you got those routers, what that will show, and they don’t want to give up the routers. They don’t want to give them. They are fighting like hell. Why are these commissioners fighting not to give the routers?”
Hail 'Merica, I guess.
Fraud vitiates every thing
UNITED STATES v. THROCKMORTON, 98 U.S. 61, 25 L.Ed. 93 (1878)
The constitution vests the whole judicial power of the United States in one supreme court, and such inferior courts as congress shall, from time to time, ordain and establish.
MARBURY v. MADISON, 5 U.S. 137 (1803).
Is that what we're doing? Posting Supreme Court cases without context or analysis? This is fun. What a time to be a lawyer.
did anyone hear that Betsey g retired?
I hope that's true. I used to really like her as a judge. Didn't appear before her for a few years. Was assigned a few cases recently before her and she is so unpleasant, imo. To me, her demeanor has become a hybrid of arrogance and rudeness. I don't recall her being that way before. Still not as bad as Kishner, but close.
I am still a BG fan. I hope it's not her health. She deserves the best retirement ever after her long, faithful, and just service to the Courts of Nevada.
Hope so. My underwear is too tight.
Hardest working attorney I ever worked with / for. She, at least early on was the same as a jurist. If its true, may she live long and prosper. She should've run for NSC and brought some sanity there.
8:08- She was going to run for the Supreme Court and then elected not to have to mess around with having to deal with Hardesty. If you ever can get her to talk candidly about it (and she might now that she is retired), the prospect of dealing with him made her stay in Clark County.
808 here. That actually does not surprise me. Nonetheless, in any event, those of us that have known her for many years appreciate her service. I hope she lands a cush gig at Lewis & Roca.
Egads, not Lewis & Roca. She's a triple Alpha, and there's enough of that at LR. MAClaw or Hutch's would be a better fit. She'd energize either one of those places. Put some starch in 'em.
Cant argue with that. I was recommending L&R because she'd be back with some of her old Beckley Singleton Cohorts, with whom she is still close.
If she retires, she is going to JAMS. Just a guess.
Goody. Please no
No JAMS! If she goes that route, I'd suggest ARM. I adore her, but she has zero mediation skills. Her special talents would serve her and her clients well as an arbitrator. In fact, she would shoot to the top of my arbitration referral list. She would also make an incredible Business Law professor. I would even audit the class.
She is good arbitrator but also a really good mediator Worst thing that happened to her mediation ability is trying to jam (no pun intended) a Business Court Settlement Conference into three hours. But she is very good and being able to talk to business clients businessperson to businessperson.
Darn, upset.
Betsy was an arrogant attorney. Then she became a judge. Hope she retires sooner than later.
808 here. She was arrogant, but only because she earned it. As smart and hard working as she is, she can afford it. She gets a pass from me.
Speaking of arrogant judges, have you met Jessica Peterson??
I admit she tries to prepare, but lordy is she cocky!!!
and wrong. I mean not a little wrong. I mean REALLY REALLY WRONG, like shoot from the hip wrong. And she is cocksure certain that she is correct. She is dangerously bad on the bench.