Homeowners, represented by Evan Schwab, take legal action over LDS temple vote. The petition for judicial review alleges impropriety in the process including allegations that Kaempfer Crowell funneled campaign contributions to city council members in connection with development of the temple. [News3LV (pdf courtesy News3LV); 8NewsNow; Yahoo News]
Here is a live update thread from Day 1 of the Robert Telles trial which began jury selection yesterday. [KTNV]
That Petition for Review filed by Evan Schwab against the LDS temple is a hot mess. Oof. It could have used a proof read or two. Or five. It’s *very* hard to read. Is he going to have to amend that to clean it up?
Every time I’ve had a case in the news, I devolve into paranoia and proof read every filing like 80 times. I can’t imagine filing something like that ever, but where it’s going to receive so much public scrutiny?
I don’t practice in the area of judicial review of public/city decisions. Is there a requirement that the petition be verified via sworn declaration or affidavit?
I hope this dude knows what he just bit off attacking Kaempfer Crowell. I suspect they will make him rue the day he filed this petition, especially given his not so squeaky-clean history – https://nvbar.org/for-the-public/find-a-lawyer/?usearch=schwab
I looked at NRS 278 and I don’t see any requirement for a sworn declaration from the client. If it isn’t necessary, this was a huge screwup because the stuff thats alleged in the petition is crazy and baseless. Kaempfer Crowell didn’t funnel bribes to the City Council. Good gravy.
You raise a great question about what KC will do in response. These allegations didn’t first appear in the Petition, they’ve been circulated by Mormonish podcast and other opponents for quite some time now. I don’t think KC would bring a defamation action, but maybe I’m wrong?
I am certain the Church will not bring a defamation action on the bribery actions. I do wonder whether the Church would be willing to pursue an award of attorneys fees. Probably not, but maybe.
I just looked up the Petitioner – Nevada Rurual Preservation Alliance, and it looks like it was formed after the city made its decision. Anyone with knowledge of these matters know if that divests this entity of standing to petition?
I wonder that too. Can anyone weigh in on the standing issue? My gut says that as long as a resident within a certain proximity to the temple is a member, they have standing regardless of when the entity was created. But I don’t actually know the answer.
My favorite part was when the Petition proclaimed that a federal court did something. Then, instead of citing to the decision… they attached a news article about it.
Love this “The Lone Mountain temple is obscenely and extremely large, which will require substantial water for its operations, potentially depleting our local water resources and affecting our all-time low Lake Mead water level”
What is the legal standard for “obscenely” large? and how much water are they actually using?
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August 13, 2024 10:18 am
With the return of the school year, l extend warm tidings of great joy to those who celebrate nooner season.
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August 13, 2024 10:26 am
Curious what my fellow blawgers carry for auto insurance. I’ve had the standard $100k/$300k/$100k coverage for a decade plus, but thinking of going higher now that I actually have a bit of wealth to protect.
Used to carry the minimums, because, well, poor, cheap, and the cars weren’t worth shit anyway. Then I worked for ID firms. That caused me to bump up my liability and make sure I had UIM, because nothing will screw you over harder than a long hospitalization caused by someone who doesn’t own anything and carries the minimums, if they are insured at all. Throw on an umbrella + homesteading, and I sleep better at night.
OP here. I’ve been with GEICO forever and our rates have gone up 30% in a year. This is what made me look into everything – starting to shop for rates.
Just add the umbrella policy. It covers everything above the auto policy. I would not worry about upping those limits, unless you have teenage drivers in the house.
When I had teenage drivers I carried 250/500/100 with a $5M umbrella. Auto policy only got popped once through 4 kids.
Yes. My insurance carrier (AAA) requires that your home and auto be insured with them to add the umbrella. They also require higher limits on auto before adding the umbrella.
Call the Broker that writes your Professional Liability insurance for starters if you have a relationship. Or see if your auto carrier has the option to add an umbrella policy. Some do.
I’ve actually tried to go heavy on Med Pay when possible. Having represented ID carriers i find there to be a lot less scrutiny on getting that paid than UIM can have on occasion.
I have State Farm. The umbrella is so expensive. The UM/UIM is a killer. They don’t write it any more. Who is the best for an umbrella. I only have 1 million not enough. Where to go to get more. If I drop UM/UIM with State Farm I lose it. They are basically making it too expensive to have. I need more liability insurance protection with an umbrella. Can I get it from another carrier cheaper than State Farm. Is anybody writing UM/UIM. I hear stories of people switching only to get dropped or getting huge bump ups in premiums after they switched and stayed on for a year.
Rules now require disclosure of policy limits immediately upon request. Smart shops might then tailor the treatment to match the policy. A doctor might know about the policy amount and treat accordingly.
250/500 plus a $2m umbrella. They make you carry the higher underlying limits to get the umbrella, which costs me around $650-ish per year. Note that the umbrella does not include any UM/UIM coverage.
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August 13, 2024 10:57 am
Check out decision on A-22-848714-C. $3.8 million verdict. Apparently, there was defendant spoilation of evidence.
Can’t you just say what the opinion is for us lazy or busy people who don’t want to look up the case.
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August 13, 2024 11:20 am
This just in. Telles has a witness who will testify that a local real estate firm had an operative sneak into Metro’s evidence unit and plant Telles’ DNA under German’s fingernails. This is a gamechanger.
Jokes at the expense of a murdered man, you people have to really re-evaluate what you post in public for shits and giggles. Shameful, post under your real names if you are so damn funny, let the public know who you are if you are so proud of your humor.
Lighten up pal. Place is a cruel world. People need an outlet to be able to cope with the darkness of the world. Sometimes humor is the best method. What happened in this situation is cruel and disgusting. Nobody is diminishing that. For some, the best way to deal with it is to mock and ridicule Telles.
Norm McDonald made a name for himself by constantly ridiculing OJ. Are you offended by that also pal?
No one is making jokes at German’s expense. People have their own ways of dealing with tragedy and horror. Making terrible jokes is part of it for some. Hence the term “gallows humor.” You don’t have to participate, but no one here appreciates the self righteousness.
No one is joking about German or making light of him. We’re talking shit about Telles because he’s a piece of shit.
I think we can all agree that what Telles (allegedly) did was horrific, no one actually is minimizing that. I doubt any of the jokemakers actually hope (or expect) Telles is acquitted.
This is the internet version of throwing food and talking shit at someone chained to stocks for punishment, because what else can we do?
Legitimate question to these self-righteous types chiding everyone for making jokes about Telles, do they really believe that everyone making jokes doesn’t think what happened is terrible and that they are somehow attacking Telles?
Have these people never had social interactions before? The bubble some of these people live in is astounding.
Some of the blackest of black humor occurs in newsrooms. It is a coping mechanism to be able to live with all the tragedy that one has to report on every day. You have to either laugh or cry, and there’s no crying in journalism. No cheering in the press box either.
I’m on the cusp of boom/gen X. Back east we called K-5 grammar school. When my children were in school we used elementary school and grade school interchangeably. What is the trend now???
The mining companies will out spend them and tie the state up in federal litigation for years. The reality is that as long as our politicians (federal, state, and local) continue to bow to corporate interests, our communities are going to suffer. Reid protected NV mining companies for decades in Washington. Corporations are NOT suffering. They are posting record profits and price gouging us while we yell at each other about inflation. Nevada is not a sustainable environment, but Clark County does nothing to curb development. There are still new houses being built every day. Lake Mead gets emptier and emptier. I don’t have the answers, but I know Las Vegas is not part of my long term plan.
The water district keeps saying that all household water gets recycled, so don’t worry about it.
Doubtful, but Maybe. Regardless every new development will require more water. Also, there is significant evaporative loss from not only lawns, trees golf courses, and pools. For example, I have a somewhat large pool and I lose about 1″ every week to evaporation.
We are have to find another source or stop development.
PS: Before some gun slinger starts snipping, please note that my pool was built at a time when nobody was concerned about water.
There was a venire of 60 prospective jurors in the courtroom, maybe 30 or all 60 at a time. Given the size and layout of the courtroom, it’s difficult to supply any meaningful video of the proceedings, the judge, the attorneys, and the defendant without also inadvertently showing prospective jurors’ faces. So the solution was apparently no video during jury selection. Now that there’s an empaneled jury, there’s less risk of showing the jury because they’ll all be in the jury box and the camera angles will be better.
That Petition for Review filed by Evan Schwab against the LDS temple is a hot mess. Oof. It could have used a proof read or two. Or five. It’s *very* hard to read. Is he going to have to amend that to clean it up?
Every time I’ve had a case in the news, I devolve into paranoia and proof read every filing like 80 times. I can’t imagine filing something like that ever, but where it’s going to receive so much public scrutiny?
That petition is giving me some heavy fremdscham.
Agree, that was a rough read.
I don’t practice in the area of judicial review of public/city decisions. Is there a requirement that the petition be verified via sworn declaration or affidavit?
I hope this dude knows what he just bit off attacking Kaempfer Crowell. I suspect they will make him rue the day he filed this petition, especially given his not so squeaky-clean history – https://nvbar.org/for-the-public/find-a-lawyer/?usearch=schwab
I looked at NRS 278 and I don’t see any requirement for a sworn declaration from the client. If it isn’t necessary, this was a huge screwup because the stuff thats alleged in the petition is crazy and baseless. Kaempfer Crowell didn’t funnel bribes to the City Council. Good gravy.
You raise a great question about what KC will do in response. These allegations didn’t first appear in the Petition, they’ve been circulated by Mormonish podcast and other opponents for quite some time now. I don’t think KC would bring a defamation action, but maybe I’m wrong?
I am certain the Church will not bring a defamation action on the bribery actions. I do wonder whether the Church would be willing to pursue an award of attorneys fees. Probably not, but maybe.
NRCP 11 Motion and Notice. Put them in safe harbor and pressure to withdraw.
Zero chance of Rule 11 sanctions being imposed here. This Petition is a disaster but it doesn’t violate Rule 11. Get real.
I just looked up the Petitioner – Nevada Rurual Preservation Alliance, and it looks like it was formed after the city made its decision. Anyone with knowledge of these matters know if that divests this entity of standing to petition?
standing doesn’t exist in Nevada according to a lot of the District Court Judges
I wonder that too. Can anyone weigh in on the standing issue? My gut says that as long as a resident within a certain proximity to the temple is a member, they have standing regardless of when the entity was created. But I don’t actually know the answer.
My favorite part was when the Petition proclaimed that a federal court did something. Then, instead of citing to the decision… they attached a news article about it.
no, they cited to a blog. ha!
BINDING PRECEDENT!
Love this “The Lone Mountain temple is obscenely and extremely large, which will require substantial water for its operations, potentially depleting our local water resources and affecting our all-time low Lake Mead water level”
What is the legal standard for “obscenely” large? and how much water are they actually using?
With the return of the school year, l extend warm tidings of great joy to those who celebrate nooner season.
Curious what my fellow blawgers carry for auto insurance. I’ve had the standard $100k/$300k/$100k coverage for a decade plus, but thinking of going higher now that I actually have a bit of wealth to protect.
250/500 plus 2 million umbrella.
Is your umbrella with the same carrier or a different carrier?
Same carrier and gives us an extra million of UM/UIM.
Used to carry the minimums, because, well, poor, cheap, and the cars weren’t worth shit anyway. Then I worked for ID firms. That caused me to bump up my liability and make sure I had UIM, because nothing will screw you over harder than a long hospitalization caused by someone who doesn’t own anything and carries the minimums, if they are insured at all. Throw on an umbrella + homesteading, and I sleep better at night.
Curious as to know your carriers as well. State Farm’s rates have been killer lately, but seem to be the cheapest around.
Safeco
OP here. I’ve been with GEICO forever and our rates have gone up 30% in a year. This is what made me look into everything – starting to shop for rates.
Just add the umbrella policy. It covers everything above the auto policy. I would not worry about upping those limits, unless you have teenage drivers in the house.
When I had teenage drivers I carried 250/500/100 with a $5M umbrella. Auto policy only got popped once through 4 kids.
Silly question, but how do you go about getting an umbrella policy? Ask your current auto insurer?
Yes. My insurance carrier (AAA) requires that your home and auto be insured with them to add the umbrella. They also require higher limits on auto before adding the umbrella.
I also have umbrella. I think it’s worth it. Not even an extra $300 a year.
What carrier is that for $300? For what limits the umbrella.
Call the Broker that writes your Professional Liability insurance for starters if you have a relationship. Or see if your auto carrier has the option to add an umbrella policy. Some do.
Make sure to purchase an unbrella which also afford excess UM/UIM in the same amount as the umbrella coverage.
I’ve actually tried to go heavy on Med Pay when possible. Having represented ID carriers i find there to be a lot less scrutiny on getting that paid than UIM can have on occasion.
I have State Farm. The umbrella is so expensive. The UM/UIM is a killer. They don’t write it any more. Who is the best for an umbrella. I only have 1 million not enough. Where to go to get more. If I drop UM/UIM with State Farm I lose it. They are basically making it too expensive to have. I need more liability insurance protection with an umbrella. Can I get it from another carrier cheaper than State Farm. Is anybody writing UM/UIM. I hear stories of people switching only to get dropped or getting huge bump ups in premiums after they switched and stayed on for a year.
if you really want to protect your wealth, get asset protection trust
Rules now require disclosure of policy limits immediately upon request. Smart shops might then tailor the treatment to match the policy. A doctor might know about the policy amount and treat accordingly.
Rules have always required that. Not sure an umbrella policy applies to that.
However, the thorough PI shops make you sign (when settling) a declaration that states that there is no other insurance.
250/500 plus a $2m umbrella. They make you carry the higher underlying limits to get the umbrella, which costs me around $650-ish per year. Note that the umbrella does not include any UM/UIM coverage.
Check out decision on A-22-848714-C. $3.8 million verdict. Apparently, there was defendant spoilation of evidence.
Wow. Seemed unnecessarily harsh.
Can’t you just say what the opinion is for us lazy or busy people who don’t want to look up the case.
This just in. Telles has a witness who will testify that a local real estate firm had an operative sneak into Metro’s evidence unit and plant Telles’ DNA under German’s fingernails. This is a gamechanger.
Oh stop, your killing me with your humor.
No really, please stop posting.
11:34 another update for you.
Telles is going to get the chief of police to testify on his behalf that the police planted evidence. He’s then going to resign on the stand in shame.
There is no chief of police here. Only the Sheriff.
U don’t have to come here – many of us like these jokes
Thank you!
I don’t understand people like 11:34. If you don’t like the jokes just ignore them lol.
Jokes at the expense of a murdered man, you people have to really re-evaluate what you post in public for shits and giggles. Shameful, post under your real names if you are so damn funny, let the public know who you are if you are so proud of your humor.
Lighten up pal. Place is a cruel world. People need an outlet to be able to cope with the darkness of the world. Sometimes humor is the best method. What happened in this situation is cruel and disgusting. Nobody is diminishing that. For some, the best way to deal with it is to mock and ridicule Telles.
Norm McDonald made a name for himself by constantly ridiculing OJ. Are you offended by that also pal?
No one is making jokes at German’s expense. People have their own ways of dealing with tragedy and horror. Making terrible jokes is part of it for some. Hence the term “gallows humor.” You don’t have to participate, but no one here appreciates the self righteousness.
No one is joking about German or making light of him. We’re talking shit about Telles because he’s a piece of shit.
I think we can all agree that what Telles (allegedly) did was horrific, no one actually is minimizing that. I doubt any of the jokemakers actually hope (or expect) Telles is acquitted.
This is the internet version of throwing food and talking shit at someone chained to stocks for punishment, because what else can we do?
Legitimate question to these self-righteous types chiding everyone for making jokes about Telles, do they really believe that everyone making jokes doesn’t think what happened is terrible and that they are somehow attacking Telles?
Have these people never had social interactions before? The bubble some of these people live in is astounding.
Are u out of ur fucking mind? It’s in SUPPORT of that poor man. He sing our tensions and grief by joking what a dumb fuck Telles is!
The jokes are aimed at Telles, not at German. FFS, no one is disrespecting German.
Some of the blackest of black humor occurs in newsrooms. It is a coping mechanism to be able to live with all the tragedy that one has to report on every day. You have to either laugh or cry, and there’s no crying in journalism. No cheering in the press box either.
Did they do the operation? Is the head dead yet? The boys in the newsroom got a running bet. Get the widow on the set! – D. Henley
Keep on scrollin’ boomer.
Those are jokes? More like grade school.
You just dated yourself. Nobody calls it grade school anymore. Not since they stopped grading anything.
I’m on the cusp of boom/gen X. Back east we called K-5 grammar school. When my children were in school we used elementary school and grade school interchangeably. What is the trend now???
Well, they aren’t teaching grammar any more either; so…..
Opinion: Protect our water or we’ll face the consequences. [Nevada Current].
I may be ignorant here, but wouldn’t the Nevada State Engineer be able to curb their Silver Peak Mine’s water use?
The mining companies will out spend them and tie the state up in federal litigation for years. The reality is that as long as our politicians (federal, state, and local) continue to bow to corporate interests, our communities are going to suffer. Reid protected NV mining companies for decades in Washington. Corporations are NOT suffering. They are posting record profits and price gouging us while we yell at each other about inflation. Nevada is not a sustainable environment, but Clark County does nothing to curb development. There are still new houses being built every day. Lake Mead gets emptier and emptier. I don’t have the answers, but I know Las Vegas is not part of my long term plan.
The water district keeps saying that all household water gets recycled, so don’t worry about it.
Doubtful, but Maybe. Regardless every new development will require more water. Also, there is significant evaporative loss from not only lawns, trees golf courses, and pools. For example, I have a somewhat large pool and I lose about 1″ every week to evaporation.
We are have to find another source or stop development.
PS: Before some gun slinger starts snipping, please note that my pool was built at a time when nobody was concerned about water.
Is telles being streamed today?
Burke vs. Nev. Comm’n on Peace Officers’ Standards and Training
Docket No. 86435
This was. Appellant forgot the cameras were on? Forgot not to pick his nose and EAT THE BOOGERS during OA?
barf
Probably not. No cameras in the courtroom during jury selection.
I feel like I’ve seen cameras in the courtroom before during jury selection. They just can’t show the jury I thought.
There was a venire of 60 prospective jurors in the courtroom, maybe 30 or all 60 at a time. Given the size and layout of the courtroom, it’s difficult to supply any meaningful video of the proceedings, the judge, the attorneys, and the defendant without also inadvertently showing prospective jurors’ faces. So the solution was apparently no video during jury selection. Now that there’s an empaneled jury, there’s less risk of showing the jury because they’ll all be in the jury box and the camera angles will be better.