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- Telles claims he was framed by local real estate firm. [RJ]
- Metro arrests woman, who has worked at law firms, for impersonating an attorney. [RJ; 8NewsNow]
- Ex-wife accused of stealing $200K in cash from immigration law firm. [8NewsNow]
- CCSD brass accused in suit by teachers union of using burner account to publicly criticize union. [KTNV]
I’d hate to be owner of the immigration firm whose ex-wife stole money from the firm. Bet the bar will be probing that matter.
Which firm is that?
Interesting the story never mentioned the firm or the attorney which I presume to mean that he made restitution to all clients. Or it could be that she stole it only from operating account but had no control over IOLTA account (which I know is how a lot of firms work).
They seemed to go out of their way not to mention the firm, but doing a quick portal search on the woman finds her ex-husband from 2012, and the nvbar.org (when it works) shows the guy’s firm and it’s near where the article says it is. The article doesn’t say anything about client money so I am going on the assumption it’s from the operating account. It says she stole it during and before 2017 and he noticed it 2017/2018. I’m not sure why it took so long to arrest her.
Nobody signs my checks or handles my bank accounts but ME. Anything else is unacceptable. How uninvolved are you that $200k goes missing and you don’t notice it for years.
You deserve it.
Do you practice in a neighborhood full of people without bank accounts who pay you in cash?
I wish. Can you imagine having all that “income” that you don’t deposit into your operating account and just spend without reporting it or paying taxes on it? Sadly, 99.9% of my client payments are debit, credit, check, or e-check and it’s all reported.
I’d hate to be owner of the immigration firm whose ex-wife stole money from the firm. Bet the bar will be probing that matter.
First! Also, those firms that employed the lady posing as an attorney are in for serious bar issues themselves.
I worked at one of those firms. With her.
Maybe the firms didn’t know?
While we are on this topic, there are document preparers in this town creating havoc for businesses and individuals by giving (horrifically bad) legal advice. On the one hand, they create plenty of work for those of us in litigation, but far more importantly, they are hurting people. I’ve never turned any of them in because I assume the bar and DA won’t do anything.
Bruhhh, how hard is it to check their bar #! Search them in the attorney database?
i did not get the impression from the article that she was masquerading as an attorney to the firms that employed her, but rather to prospective “clients” that the firms may not have known about.
I guess I’m replying in Cyrillic now. Who knew?
Doesn’t matter. The firm would still be responsible. There is a specific bar rule about controlling the actions of your employees.
There will be issues stemming from possible lack of adequate supervision and control, division of authority, review of work, etc. Best case for any law firm involved that had employed her will be she was doing her (alleged) moonlighting away from the office, not on firm time, not using company resources, firm had no idea any of these “clients” existed, etc. And even then, there will be issues.
“And even then, there will be issues.”
Why would that be true with all those assumptions?
Will the incumbent bar counsel care?
i have to implement adequate controls in my office. I don’t know what people are doing at night or on the weekends outside of the office, but I can’t be willfully blind either. Someone might be in trouble, but I think we need to see some more facts.
I doubt it. That is when the person is working on behalf of firm clients. This lady was working on her own, holding herself out as an attorney, and dealing with her own “clients”
Nothing under NRPC 5.3 appears to be implicated in the article (even though the article tries to impicate the same). She was doing this out of the trunk of her car. She was no e-filing using law firm letterhead or infrastructure. You have a duty to have reasonable controls in place for what employees do inside of your firm; you do not have a duty to monitor what your employees do outside of your office.
Rule 5.3. Responsibilities Regarding Nonlawyer Assistants. With respect to a nonlawyer employed or retained by or associated with a lawyer:
(a) A partner, and a lawyer who individually or together with other lawyers possesses comparable managerial authority in a law firm shall make reasonable efforts to ensure that the firm has in effect measures giving reasonable assurance that the person’s conduct is compatible with the professional obligations of the lawyer;
(b) A lawyer having direct supervisory authority over the nonlawyer shall make reasonable efforts to ensure that the person’s conduct is compatible with the professional obligations of the lawyer; and
(c) A lawyer shall be responsible for conduct of such a person that would be a violation of the Rules of Professional Conduct if engaged in by a lawyer if:
(1) The lawyer orders or, with the knowledge of the specific conduct, ratifies the conduct involved; or
(2) The lawyer is a partner or has comparable managerial authority in the law firm in which the person is employed, or has direct supervisory authority over the person, and knows of the conduct at a time when its consequences can be avoided or mitigated but fails to take reasonable remedial action.
There has long been a problem with the “notarios” who victimize the Hispanic community. Many attempts to crack down over the years, but it’s whack-a-mole and not much success.
Turn them in. I think you just need to report it to OBC.
But yes, enforcement of running, capping and doc preparers is very lax, especially in the non-English speaking communities.
My case, in which they (the rogue document preparer) are a witness, is ongoing. If I turn them in, I don’t want the report to be undermined by the idea that I did it to gain an advantage in litigation. I have this guy’s deposition where he makes several statements that I believe admit to practicing law. He created quite a mess.
She was an employee of our firm for a short amount of time. You are only in trouble if you failed to supervise her in your office. She moved firm to firm pretty quickly and focused on consumer side firms.
We should also consider that people that hired her and notarios and her knew they weren’t attorneys but were reassured by statements such as “I’ve done this for 15 years” and attorneys ripped you off. I know of people that when warned of the dangers profess that their is no alternative, as the document preparer only asked for $500 to handle a divorce and not the thousands an attorney would charge.
Thirty-plus years in this business, and while I’ve definitely employed a few “real winners,” I have never been victimized by crooks like this.
Teachers unions are the devil.
Telles is entertaining. I like his defense: no jury will believe anyone could SO BADLY bungle a premeditated murder so he must have been framed. JFC man, just toss the shoes in the Micky D’s dumpster, that at least gives you a chance!
This guy will be he!! for appellate courts for the next 30-40 years.
Do you have any idea how expensive shoes are? No way was he going to part with those kicks so easily.
It’s even worse than that. I watched the whole hearing. He is arguing that the police can’t prove he purchased the costume, so therefore he must be innocent! I don’t practice in criminal law. But it reminds me of some of the crazy shit my clients have said to me in private that I have had to act as a buffer and filter on in filings and oral argument. Telles is such a dumbass to represent himself.
What’s really amazing is he is mortgaging the family home to fund his defense. So after daddy gets convicted and sentenced to life without parole there will be nothing left for family. His wife must really believe he can beat the charge. Maybe Telles will pull a rabbit out of his hat when he takes the stand?
Telles is mortgaging the family home? Source?
202302060000816
What’s Telles spending that on if he’s representing himself
“Consultants”!
Notorios.
I’m a lawyer but I pretend not to be on reddit so I can write IANAL
I know the fake lawyer situation pretty well. My understanding is that all the work she did was OUTSIDE of the respective law firms she worked at. Majority of the work was fake, as in there were no actual filings, but rather fake filings (making it seem that something was filed or signed by judge and/or lawyer). I do know she worked under Doug Crawford until he imploded so i think that is where it started. Out of all the fake stuff she did, there was only one time she signed off using a real lawyers name, but that lawyer caught it and brought it up to the powers at be pretty quickly. she also took and/or “borrowed” money from other co employees or the actual lawyer (not sure about the actual specifics) at the later places she worked at.
overall she was a terrible employee no matter where she went and generally didnt last long, but i do know some places still kept her because they were desperate for a paralegal. Here is a list of places she has worked at or people she claimed to work for (could be more) i will use only initials so i dont trigger any angry peoples SD, JW, KG, HB, DC, DP.
i doubt she will get jail time (probably years probation with felony stayed and drop down to GD after good behavior), but at least her evil run is over and hopefully out of the legal biz for good.
Where can I find amendments to local rules? The EJDCR website not working for me.
You can find amendments to all the Rules here: https://nvcourts.gov/supreme/rules/rule_amendments_for_all_nevada_courts
EJDC Local Rules: https://www.leg.state.nv.us/courtrules/eighthdcr.html
Just be careful about how current the court rules are as published by LCB on the Legislature’s website. It seems LCB Legal is pretty badly behind on codifying rules amendments. Session laws from the legislative session that ended more than six months ago aren’t yet published on the web, and it seems the biennial codification of the session laws to NRS gets later and later in the biennial cycle.
The family who commits insurance fraud together stays together (until sentenced to separate facilities). https://www.8newsnow.com/investigators/las-vegas-family-accused-of-causing-crashes-to-collect-insurance-money/
Pro se beat Willick at the Supreme Court. Seems like the appellate courts are sick of the shenanigans in family court. I’m looking forward to the ONJ writs coming back.
What case was it?
86607
Great message (not!) from “The Karen.” You paint all lawyers with too broad of a brush. Some of us just do the job we were hired to do. I can’t wait until the shoe is on the other foot and you need to decide whether or not you have the internal fortitude to zealously represent your client or be cowed by those with differing opinions. (BTW, the Hoskins decision was wrong).
Thank you Jenny Abrams for chiming in on this issue.
Sound of Music just came on and I am dropping everything to watch.
How did I miss this one? Judge barred from the bench for being drunk on the bench.
https://www.ournevadajudges.com/assets/docs/disciplines/99-imposition-of-discipline.pdf
The whole judicial discipline scheme is constitutionally defective. Just as a matter of historical record, drunk judges are as American as apple pie. Some would argue a soused judge is a more reasonable judge.
Constitutionally defective on what basis? The scheme is quite literally in the Nevada Constitution, Art. 6, Sec. 21, https://www.leg.state.nv.us/const/nvconst.html#Art6Sec21.
Nancy Saitta barred from being a Senior Judge.
https://www.ournevadajudges.com/assets/docs/disciplines/98-consent-to-public-reprimand.pdf
Read both of them. Meh. Soukds like the Commission needed to do something to justify its budget.
*sounds
I had a similar case with Justice Saitta. Unfortunately, her retiring from being a senior judge is probably for the best for everyone.
BK practitioners! Read the United States Trustee’s motion in Case 24-00101 in which UST asks for Seth Ballstaedt to disgorge $750,000 in fees from 441 separate cases.
For those of us who aren’t, what’s a quick synopsis?
You don’t have a PACER account?
Maybe some of us don’t like being nickeled and dimed for PACER fees. Someone please do us a solid and upload it to Court Listener https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68147505/seth-d-ballstaedt/
And for everyone who uses PACER – please just install the RECAP extension and it’ll automatically upload docs for you 🙂
Extension for Chrome, Safari, Firefox: https://free.law/recap
Just be very careful if you have access to sealed documents; you don’t want those getting inadvertently uploaded and tracked back to you.
So i say this knowing next to nothing on defamation law, but this Telles theory sounds like a textbook ‘slander’ correct?
That the defendant made false statements of “fact” about you;
That the defendant made an unprivileged publication of the statement(s) to a third party;
That the defendant acted negligently, recklessly or intentionally; and
That as a result of the statements, your reputation was damaged.
Obviously the ‘damage’ aspect is always quite nebulous but i would think that having to hire counsel and potential reputation damage for being accused of killing a journalist is sufficient?
Sounds more like business disparagement than defamation to me (not exactly the same). Furthermore the issue with a defamation or business disparagement claim is that you have to be prepared to open yourself up to the Defendant taking a run at every aspect of your business. So perhaps the “framing” theory is unsubstantiated but Telles is telling the truth that Compass was very aggressive in trying to get appointed over Estate property, which brings new scrutiny from the press on Compass. Why would you want to open yourself up to actual discovery as opposed to just dismissing these allegations as the ravings of a mad man who is behind bars?
Isn’t this all protected by litigation privilege though? Not a defamation lawyer either.
Statements made during the proceeding would be subject to the litigation privilege. However, I think it only applies if made about other parties in the litigation, not unrelated third parties.
So, maybe defamation.
Probably more than anyone wants to read on defamation and the absolute litigation privilege, but it’s helpful to give a taste… [tl;dr version: the absolute litigation privilege likely applies.]
From Spencer v. Klementi, 136 Nev. 325, 466 P.3d 1241 (2020):
Circus Circus Hotels, Inc. v. Witherspoon, 99 Nev. 56, 62, 657 P.2d 101, 105 (1983) (holding that absolute privilege is a question of law); Clark Cty. Sch. Dist. v. Payo, 133 Nev. 626, 631, 403 P.3d 1270, 1275 (2017). . . .
Generally, the judicial-proceedings privilege provides absolute immunity to statements made in the course of a judicial proceeding “so long as [the statements] are in some way pertinent to the subject of controversy.” Circus Circus Hotels, 99 Nev. at 60, 657 P.2d at 104. We have expressly extended this absolute privilege “to quasi-judicial proceedings before executive officers, boards, and commissions.” Id. at 61, 657 P.2d at 104 (extending the absolute privilege to a letter sent to the Nevada Employment Security Department regarding unemployment benefits); see also Knox v. Dick, 99 Nev. 514, 517-18, 665 P.2d 267, 269-70 (1983) (extending the absolute privilege to witness testimony before the Clark County Personnel Grievance Board).
From Fink v. Oshins, 118 Nev. 428, 49 P. 3d 640 (2002):
In Circus Circus Hotels v. Witherspoon, this court recognized “the long-standing common law rule that communications uttered or published in the course of judicial proceedings are absolutely privileged.”[5] The policy behind the absolute privilege, as it applies to attorneys participating in judicial proceedings, is to grant them “as officers of the court the utmost freedom in their efforts to obtain justice for their clients.”[6] This privilege, as its name indicates, is absolute: it “precludes liability even where the defamatory statements are published with knowledge of their falsity and personal ill will toward the plaintiff.”[7] The absolute privilege is for the court to apply.
**FOOTNOTES**
[5] 99 Nev. at 60, 657 P.2d at 104.
[6] Bull v. McCuskey, 96 Nev. 706, 712, 615 P.2d 957, 961 (1980), abrogated on other grounds by Ace Truck v. Kahn, 103 Nev. 503, 746 P.2d 132 (1987).
[7] Circus Circus Hotels, 99 Nev. at 60, 657 P.2d at 104.
In K-Mart Corporation v. Washington, this court commented that the absolute privilege would render certain allegedly defamatory statements non-actionable “if” the statements were “made in good faith.” 109 Nev. 1180, 1191, 866 P.2d 274, 282 (1993). This is an incorrect statement of the law. As this court stated in Circus Circus Hotels, the absolute privilege provides unconditional immunity, even for statements made with “personal ill will.” 99 Nev. at 60, 657 P.2d at 104; accord 2 Rodney A. Smolla, Law of Defamation § 8:2, at 8-3 (2d ed. 2002) (“In a true absolute privilege situation, liability is totally foreclosed without regard to the fault or mental state of the defendant.”).
Another important case is Clark Cty. Sch. Dist. v. Virtual Educ. Software, Inc., 125 Nev. 374, 213 P.3d 496 (2009).
Even if the privilege applies, it doesn’t mean the court can’t apply the rules of evidence, ethical rules, and other authorities to curtail irrelevant or illegal defenses or defenses without a factual predicate. Telles will probably be free from defamation or business disparagement liability, but he won’t be free from other consequences in court.
Reporting what happened in court is privileged; statements to the press may not be.See Jacobs v. Adelson, 130 Nev. 408, 414-17, 325 P.3d 1282, 1286-88 (2014)
Application of the absolute privilege in the media context
This court has not previously addressed whether the absolute privilege applies when the media is the recipient of the statement. We have, however, recognized that communications are not sufficiently related to judicial proceedings when they are made to someone without an interest in the outcome. See Fink, 118 Nev. at 436, 49 P.3d at 645-46.
The majority of states have determined that the absolute privilege does not apply when the communications are made to the media.2 “‘Communications made to newspapers and during press conferences have been almost universally found to be excluded from the protection of absolute privilege.'” Med. Informatics Eng’g, Inc. v. Orthopaedics Ne., P.C., 458 F. Supp. 2d 716, 724 (N.D. Ind. 2006) (quoting Williams v. Kenney, 379 N.J. Super. 118, 877 A.2d 277, 288 (N.J. Super Ct. App. Div. 2005)); see, e.g., Asay v. Hallmark Cards, Inc., 594 F.2d 692, 697 (8th Cir. 1979) (“Publication to the news media is not ordinarily sufficiently related to a judicial proceeding to constitute a privileged occasion.”); Green Acres Trust v. London, 141 Ariz. 609, 688 P.2d 617, 622 (Ariz. 1984) (same); Rothman v. Jackson, 49 Cal. App. 4th 1134, 57 Cal. Rptr. 2d 284, 294-95 (Ct. App. 1996) (stating that the absolute privilege generally should not be extended to “litigating in the press”); see also Milford Power Ltd. P’ship v. New England Power Co., 918 F. Supp. 471, 486 (D. Mass. 1996); Seidl v. Greentree Mortg. Co., 30 F. Supp. 2d 1292, 1313-14 [*415] (D. Colo. 1998); Kelley v. Bonney, 221 Conn. 549, 606 A.2d 693, 707 (Conn. 1992); Kennedy v. Zimmermann, 601 N.W.2d 61, 64-65 (Iowa 1999); Kennedy v. Cannon, 229 Md. 92, 182 A.2d 54, 58 (Md. 1962).
These courts have concluded that the policy considerations underlying the absolute privilege rule are not applicable to statements made to the media. Statements made to the media “do little, if anything, to promote the truth finding process in a judicial proceeding . . . . [They] do not generally encourage open and honest discussion between the parties and their counsel in order to resolve disputes; indeed, such statements often do just the opposite.” Pratt v. Nelson, 2007 UT 41, 164 P.3d 366, 381 (Utah 2007). And allowing defamation claims for statements made to the media will not generally hinder investigations or the detailing of claims. Milford Power, 918 F. Supp. at 486; see also Asay, 594 F.2d at 698. Thus, the need for absolute privilege evaporates. Milford Power, 918 F. Supp. at 486. Because the privilege’s purpose is not [***10] to protect those making defamatory comments but “to lessen the chilling effect on those who seek to utilize the judicial process to seek relief,” these courts have declined to extend the privilege in this context. Kirschstein v. Haynes, 1990 OK 8, 788 P.2d 941, 952-53 (Okla. 1990).
Based on the policy considerations underlying the absolute privilege, we adopt [**1287] the majority view that statements made to the media are not subject to absolute privilege. Extension of the absolute privilege to cover statements to the media, when the media are not a party to the lawsuit or inextricably intertwined with the lawsuit, would not further the policy underlying the absolute privilege. This position is also in line with our previous caselaw acknowledging that the privilege was created in part because the public interest in free speech during litigation outweighs the possibility of abuse of the privilege through the making of false and malicious statements. See Cucinotta, 129 Nev. at 325, 302 P.3d at 1101; Circus Circus Hotels, 99 Nev. at 61, 657 P.2d at 104. However, protecting speech made during a judicial proceeding does not warrant allowing the dissemination of defamatory communications outside of the judicial proceedings. See Kelley, 606 A.2d at 707; Asay, 594 F.2d at 697.
Here, there has been no cogent argument that the Wall Street Journal has any other interest than that of an observer in the litigation [***11] such that the communications were made outside the judicial proceedings. While Adelson’s statements were connected to the litigation in that they addressed Jacobs’ contentions, we “draw the line between bona fide litigation activities and a public relations campaign” as it concerns the absolute privilege. Williams v. Kenney, 379 N.J. Super. 118, 877 A.2d 277, 290-91 (N.J. Super. Ct. App. Div. 2005). The dissent argues that the extensive media coverage of the underlying judicial proceedings in this case has resulted in both the media and the [*416] public becoming “significantly interested” in the proceedings, thus triggering the absolute privilege to Adelson’s contested statements. We cannot agree.
As the dissent points out, we have previously determined that the absolute privilege only covers statements made to those without direct involvement in the judicial proceeding if the recipients of the communication are “significantly interested in the proceeding.” Fink v. Oshins, 118 Nev. 428, 436, 49 P.3d 640, 645-46 (2002) (internal quotations omitted).3 While we have yet to examine what constitutes a “significant interest” in judicial proceedings, drawing from our analysis in Fink, the policy underlying the absolute privilege, and other relevant caselaw, we conclude that assessing the significant interest of the recipient requires review of the [***12] recipient’s legal relationship to the litigation, not their interest as an observer. See id. at 436, 49 P.3d at 645-46; cf. Hall v. Smith, 214 Ariz. 309, 152 P.3d 1192, 1197 (Ariz. Ct. App. 2007) (stating that resolution of the judicial privilege issue pivots on relationship of recipient to the legal proceedings).
A nonparty recipient must have a relevant interest in, or a connection to, the outcome of the proceeding. See, e.g., Kanengiser v. Kanengiser, 248 N.J. Super. 318, 590 A.2d 1223, 1237 (N.J. Super. Ct. Law Div. 1991) (establishing that trustees and beneficiaries of a trust had a significant interest in potential litigation regarding the trust); DeVivo v. Ascher, 228 N.J. Super. 453, 550 A.2d 163, 168 (N.J. Super. Ct. App. Div. 1988) (indicating that nonparty recipient was significantly interested because the records sought in the litigation were relevant to the amount owed to the recipient and the recipient “could properly have been joined as a party”); cf. Theiss v. Scherer, 396 F.2d 646, 648 (6th Cir. 1968) (noting that letter written by attorney was absolutely privileged because it was addressed to an attorney who represented a party with a financial interest in the proceeding, and copies were sent to individuals with direct financial interests in proceeding). Moreover, the [***13] nature of the recipient’s interest in or connection to the litigation is a “case-specific, fact-intensive inquiry” that must focus on and balance the underlying principles of the privilege. Hall, 152 P.3d at 1199.
Looking then at the relationship between the Wall Street Journal and the underlying district court proceedings in this case, we conclude that the newspaper does not have a direct interest in, or connection to, the outcome of the proceedings, other than as a [**1288] spectator. [*417] See Fink, 118 Nev. at 436, 49 P.3d at 646; Green Acres Trust, 688 P.2d at 623; Hall, 152 P.3d at 1197. As explained by the Arizona Supreme Court in Green Acres Trust v. London, generally, “reporter[s] play[] no role in the actual litigation other than that of a concerned observer.” 141 Ariz. 609, 688 P.2d 617, 623 (Ariz. 1984). Accordingly, we conclude that the Wall Street Journal does not have any legal or financial interest in the underlying litigation, and thus, it is not significantly interested in the litigation for purposes of the absolute privilege. Essentially, because Adelson’s statements were published to a disinterested party, they are not sufficiently connected to the judicial proceedings to warrant application of the absolute privilege.
Ok, so trying to simplify it then. Even if Telles is hamming it up a little for his audience, the statements are still directly being made to the judge for a theory of defense. So essentially unless he makes the statement to the media or some other outlet to get it published he is within this immunity?
And secondly, although Compass is probably panicking a little it sounds like as someone earlier suggested, it would be best to sit back and consider it the ravings of a madman rather than open themselves up to a discovery with likely little chance of monetary recourse.
Precisely right on all counts.