Not any time soon. Nye County voters will view this as a red badge of courage and fundraising opportunity for her. You will hear arguments about this being “lawfare” and the like.
Nailed it. They will circle the wagons out in Nye. Wild shit. Kind of funny because there have been several comments over the last few months on this blog to the effect of, “Wow, M.F. has been surprisingly low profile lately, haven’t heard anything about her, weird.” Maybe this is why. I’ll skip to the end of this chapter in the Saga of Michelle Fiore for the sake of brevity: prosecution fails and she falls upwards into another elected office, is heralded as a hero by MAGA. Alternatively, she is pardoned by President Trump early next year.
I agree with everything that you said except “prosecution fails.” She is in Federal Court. They play with big guns and they also play dirty. She will drag this out for as long as possible in the belief that she will be pardoned. If Trump does not win, she will take a lesser charge and will be heralded as a political prisoner.
Yeah, that isnt how it works in Federal Court prosecutions. Especially, if you have some notoriety.
ESPECIALLY with this DOJ.
But, the indictment stage is still early. She has been laying low because she has known for some time that she was being investigated. She likely has counsel and has been offered plea deals. She has likely already met with the Feds and been shown the evidence. The unsealing of the indictment this early is a tactic by the Feds to escalate the matter.
Normally I’d agree with you but the Bundy prosecution was such a trainwreck that I’m no longer 100% confident that the USAO will walk away with a conviction.
9:50 AM here. That’s exactly right. The Bundys participated in TWO ARMED INSURRECTIONS against the federal government and yet walk around as free men. Michele Fiore stealing money is nothing compared to that. Plus, you are all EXTREMELY naive if you think Trump doesn’t pardon her. She is tight with Michael McDonald who is one of Trump’s besties. McDonald makes a call on her behalf (charges her a ton of money of course, LOL) and it gets taken care of.
The Bundy case was screwed up because Steve Myrhe played dirty and screwed around with evidence. No one used the leverage of that office in a more draconian manner than he did/does. I dont think they are going to let him screw up the Fiore case in the way that he screwed up the Bundy case.
The voters won’t have any input on the prosecution. Upon conviction or even reasonable finding, the Commission on Judicial Ethics will remove her. Might take a year or two.
Bundy was very different and highly emotional for your average juror. This is a straight paper case with a relatively small loss amount. If convicted at trial, she is 12-18 months without enhancements.
This shit will NOT fly in prison, even a year and a day at a Camp. She is not just a judge, but a judge who stole from cops will be the story in the chow line. She wont get attacked, but she will be ostracized and denied access to various services. Library, recreation, seating in the chow line and friends.
IF convicted and not pardoned (which even with Trump and McDonald is a very long shot) by the time it gets to Trumps desk, she will be long released and there will be no point of granting clemency.
I don’t know the mechanics or the procedure in all of this. I do know what I’ve seen since 2016. MF is MAGA. MAGA always finds a way to wiggle out. Always. I don’t know how, but I fucking promise you that MF will skate on this. She’s been investigated by the FBI before. She’s the Teflon Mom.
@11:11
Ease up on the coffee. Yes, you think everything MAGA is bad. But even if so, MJ is a low level judge, not even an attorney, with no political influence, in a very small desert town. Plead out or conviction and no pardon.
No because she stole from citizens. But in all reality in a camp, she is not going to be viewed unfavorably. She is going to be viewed as someone who can help people write habeas motions (even though she has no legal training).
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July 17, 2024 9:59 am
Lots of good memories of The Mirage, especially in its early days back in the 90s. Volcano show. White tigers. Dolphins. Siegfried & Roy. “Vegas Vacation”. Didn’t spend too much time there after Wynn exited, other than seeing Beatles Love & occasionally grabbing drinks with friends visiting from out of town. But I’ll always remember the good old days when it was a premiere destination. Quite the trailblazer for what Vegas has become since it opened. Change is inevitable though…looking forward to seeing the new HRH bring new energy to the center Strip.
The Mirage also had THE poker room. Not just the most important in Vegas, but in the world. Over time it faded, then was cut in half, then taken out entirely. Really sad stuff. Hopefully the new Hard Rock will bring back a big poker room with the same buzz and energy that the Mirage had years ago.
“My new piece of trim”? I hope you are being put out to pasture soon
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July 17, 2024 1:08 pm
Question: presume you have a friend with 5-7 years experience in civil lit (non-PI) and they want to expand their practice to do more Personal Injury. They’ve done a tiny bit of PI, but want to gain knowledge in PI (especially Pre-Lit), valuing cases, etc. and basically have a better knowledge base before diving into PI. What would you recommend that friend do? Join NJA, got it. What about any bootcamps/seminars/CLEs/books? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
If they’ve got a good network of colleagues to lean on they could probably just shadow someone for a week and then not be shy about asking questions as they arise.
A week is like a minute in a PI practice. Like one of the posters above said, you need to be immersed in it to really learn it. The result of dabbling is the crap most of us arbitrators see regularly where the case was not properly developed or shouldn’t have been brought in the first place.
Honest answer? (1) Go be an associate for one of the PI guys who are killing it. Learn the game from the inside. Then build a better mouse trap. HIre quality people to build the infrastructure for a PI practice. (2) In the alternative, make a slush fund of money doing what you know. Then hire an advertising dynamo who will put you on the map and develop a mechanism for the stream of clients that you will need. Hire a top notch PI paralegal who can develop the infrastructure within your firm.
Not that poster but I took that to mean a way that you are getting your PI Cients. Are you signing up with a website or lawyer referral website that gets case leads for you? Do you have connection with a primary care facility or referral source that recommends your services to injured people? Do you connections to cappers (and an understanding of the repercussions of dipping your toes in that water)? PI clients are not simply distributed equally amongst the PI bar.
In my opinion, unless you have a particular niche or group of local connections and referral sources already, the PI market is pretty saturated. If you don’t believe me, just take a drive on the 215. As an aribitrator, I feel like i’m seeing more and more low-quality cases being litigated. Some of that is doubtless because certain carriers are becoming more difficult to deal with, but too many lawyers chasing too few decent cases is also a factor in my view. And I’m not suggesting that every case has to be gold-plated – those often settle before I see them – only that I’m seeing more junk than I used to.
A different arbitrator here.
But I agree with 2:33. The PI market is saturated. Some of the PI cases I am seeing should not have been accepted for representation.
Based on information and belief (where have I heard that phrase before?), the larger PI firms have an intake team, basically make a pitch to sign people up. Some have intake attorneys who sign up the client and pass the case of to a litigation team.
But I could be wrong. Would like to hear from the plaintiff lawyers about this.
NJA actually has a Bootcamp seminar. Trial lawyers university is good. However, as others have said – you really need to go work at a top notch firm and emerse yourself in it. How I valued a case 5-10 years ago is way different and my work up is way different, which has led to much better results and larger numbers. You don’t know what you don’t know and you really can’t learn it, unless you are in it.
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July 17, 2024 4:50 pm
Do public Nevada Supreme Court pleadings meet your definition of non-whackonicity?
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July 17, 2024 9:22 pm
Re the Temple portion of the City Council meeting:
Crazy Cat Lady rides again!
Nathan Taylor 100% should have gone first for the opposition. I’m a supporter of the temple, but I could agree with his stance of asking to wait and have another neighborhood meeting. That’s a reasonable ask, I think. Kind of odd that he wanted “a neutral site” when, by design, those sorts of building don’t exist in the area.
Meanwhile, you have rabbis, ministers, and others standing in support.
But they got the steeple knocked down 20 feet, removed an entrance, and threatened the church with an ambiguous Dark Sky ordinance. So that’s something, right?
Also support the temple and also agree Nathan Taylor did a nice job. A lot of the vitriol could have been avoided if he (or someone like him) had been involved from the beginning. It was obvious that Mr. Taylor convinced his clients (the opposing neighbors) to change their approach. Their comments were VERY DIFFERENT this time around. Still, there are some real wounds from this process. That was pretty obvious from some of the commentary from the council members themselves.
I’m LDS. 196 feet vs 216? I don’t really care.
That dark sky ordinance is gonna be a disaster. Does it retroactively apply to the temple? Given its origins, does it trigger constitutional issues? The Church should just agree to shut off the lights at 11 PM and the opposing neighbors should just accept that. That avoids a giant legal mess.
Years ago, my wife was complaining that our first apartment was in a “bad” part of town. So I took her out to eat at a restaurant in an actual bad part of town. Sometimes, people in these upper class neighborhoods (including the one that I live in) get their tit in a wringer over the dumbest, most inconsequential shit. The most minor thing gets blown out of proportion into an existential matter. If they had to live like most of the people in the rest of the valley, they wouldn’t be clutching their pearls over a blinking FAA light or the setbacks of a proposed bar a block away. If people on the east side saw some of the whining that occurs in front of the City Council on planning issues I think they would be a combination of pissed and amused.
The reason the time was split between Valerie Juecks (sp?) and Nathan Taylor is because the opposing neighbors were not in agreement with each other. Valerie represented the view that he temple should be denied entirely. Taylor represented the view that the City should impose significant modifications. I attended both meetings. VJ’s presentation at the planning and zoning meeting was like a conspiracy theory character straight out of central casting. Her presentation tonight was still nonsensical, but focused and not conspiratorial.
Looks like a vacancy for Pahrump JP.
Not any time soon. Nye County voters will view this as a red badge of courage and fundraising opportunity for her. You will hear arguments about this being “lawfare” and the like.
Nailed it. They will circle the wagons out in Nye. Wild shit. Kind of funny because there have been several comments over the last few months on this blog to the effect of, “Wow, M.F. has been surprisingly low profile lately, haven’t heard anything about her, weird.” Maybe this is why. I’ll skip to the end of this chapter in the Saga of Michelle Fiore for the sake of brevity: prosecution fails and she falls upwards into another elected office, is heralded as a hero by MAGA. Alternatively, she is pardoned by President Trump early next year.
I agree with everything that you said except “prosecution fails.” She is in Federal Court. They play with big guns and they also play dirty. She will drag this out for as long as possible in the belief that she will be pardoned. If Trump does not win, she will take a lesser charge and will be heralded as a political prisoner.
“If Trump does not win”
That’s a good one. You kill me.
Show proper titles out of respect. That’s President-Elect Trump, thank you very much!
Respectfully disagree. No pardon. Plea out to fine, restitution and a SOT stip. If not that, then max of 1 yr with parole for balance of sentence.
Yeah, that isnt how it works in Federal Court prosecutions. Especially, if you have some notoriety.
ESPECIALLY with this DOJ.
But, the indictment stage is still early. She has been laying low because she has known for some time that she was being investigated. She likely has counsel and has been offered plea deals. She has likely already met with the Feds and been shown the evidence. The unsealing of the indictment this early is a tactic by the Feds to escalate the matter.
Federal court doesn’t work that way
There is no parole in the federal system.
Normally I’d agree with you but the Bundy prosecution was such a trainwreck that I’m no longer 100% confident that the USAO will walk away with a conviction.
9:50 AM here. That’s exactly right. The Bundys participated in TWO ARMED INSURRECTIONS against the federal government and yet walk around as free men. Michele Fiore stealing money is nothing compared to that. Plus, you are all EXTREMELY naive if you think Trump doesn’t pardon her. She is tight with Michael McDonald who is one of Trump’s besties. McDonald makes a call on her behalf (charges her a ton of money of course, LOL) and it gets taken care of.
And then she pays him with stolen charity funds. Seems like a perfect scheme
The Bundy case was screwed up because Steve Myrhe played dirty and screwed around with evidence. No one used the leverage of that office in a more draconian manner than he did/does. I dont think they are going to let him screw up the Fiore case in the way that he screwed up the Bundy case.
The voters won’t have any input on the prosecution. Upon conviction or even reasonable finding, the Commission on Judicial Ethics will remove her. Might take a year or two.
She’s alleged to have spent money meant for a fallen officers memorial on herself and her daughter’s wedding. So much for back the blue.
Bundy was very different and highly emotional for your average juror. This is a straight paper case with a relatively small loss amount. If convicted at trial, she is 12-18 months without enhancements.
This shit will NOT fly in prison, even a year and a day at a Camp. She is not just a judge, but a judge who stole from cops will be the story in the chow line. She wont get attacked, but she will be ostracized and denied access to various services. Library, recreation, seating in the chow line and friends.
IF convicted and not pardoned (which even with Trump and McDonald is a very long shot) by the time it gets to Trumps desk, she will be long released and there will be no point of granting clemency.
If she pleads, she likely gets probation.
I don’t know the mechanics or the procedure in all of this. I do know what I’ve seen since 2016. MF is MAGA. MAGA always finds a way to wiggle out. Always. I don’t know how, but I fucking promise you that MF will skate on this. She’s been investigated by the FBI before. She’s the Teflon Mom.
Tell that to Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro, Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, and Paul Manafort you fucking idiot.
Stop speaking out of your ass. You know nothing Jon Snow.
To your point pretty much everyone associated with MAGA that has had some criminal charges brought against them has been f*****.
Have no idea how anyone could possibly claim “MAGA alwasy finds a way to wiggle out”. Alternate reality type stuff.
@11:11
Ease up on the coffee. Yes, you think everything MAGA is bad. But even if so, MJ is a low level judge, not even an attorney, with no political influence, in a very small desert town. Plead out or conviction and no pardon.
She doesn’t have political influence? False. She’s at least mid-level clergy in the MAGA cult.
Yea… cause all those J6 MAGA people just wiggled out of trouble…. lmao
Won’t her fellow criminals like the idea that she stole from cops?
No because she stole from citizens. But in all reality in a camp, she is not going to be viewed unfavorably. She is going to be viewed as someone who can help people write habeas motions (even though she has no legal training).
Lots of good memories of The Mirage, especially in its early days back in the 90s. Volcano show. White tigers. Dolphins. Siegfried & Roy. “Vegas Vacation”. Didn’t spend too much time there after Wynn exited, other than seeing Beatles Love & occasionally grabbing drinks with friends visiting from out of town. But I’ll always remember the good old days when it was a premiere destination. Quite the trailblazer for what Vegas has become since it opened. Change is inevitable though…looking forward to seeing the new HRH bring new energy to the center Strip.
The Mirage also had THE poker room. Not just the most important in Vegas, but in the world. Over time it faded, then was cut in half, then taken out entirely. Really sad stuff. Hopefully the new Hard Rock will bring back a big poker room with the same buzz and energy that the Mirage had years ago.
best 10/20 20/40 game in town. i miss those limit games. NL is boring
I think you will see more bankruptcies in the coming few years. The economy makes no sense.
To be young again! I remember the volcano was brand new, so was my convertible and my new piece of trim I went there with. Time goes so fast!
“My new piece of trim”? I hope you are being put out to pasture soon
Question: presume you have a friend with 5-7 years experience in civil lit (non-PI) and they want to expand their practice to do more Personal Injury. They’ve done a tiny bit of PI, but want to gain knowledge in PI (especially Pre-Lit), valuing cases, etc. and basically have a better knowledge base before diving into PI. What would you recommend that friend do? Join NJA, got it. What about any bootcamps/seminars/CLEs/books? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
If they’ve got a good network of colleagues to lean on they could probably just shadow someone for a week and then not be shy about asking questions as they arise.
A week is like a minute in a PI practice. Like one of the posters above said, you need to be immersed in it to really learn it. The result of dabbling is the crap most of us arbitrators see regularly where the case was not properly developed or shouldn’t have been brought in the first place.
Honest answer? (1) Go be an associate for one of the PI guys who are killing it. Learn the game from the inside. Then build a better mouse trap. HIre quality people to build the infrastructure for a PI practice. (2) In the alternative, make a slush fund of money doing what you know. Then hire an advertising dynamo who will put you on the map and develop a mechanism for the stream of clients that you will need. Hire a top notch PI paralegal who can develop the infrastructure within your firm.
What is a “mechanism for the stream of clients”?
Not that poster but I took that to mean a way that you are getting your PI Cients. Are you signing up with a website or lawyer referral website that gets case leads for you? Do you have connection with a primary care facility or referral source that recommends your services to injured people? Do you connections to cappers (and an understanding of the repercussions of dipping your toes in that water)? PI clients are not simply distributed equally amongst the PI bar.
In my opinion, unless you have a particular niche or group of local connections and referral sources already, the PI market is pretty saturated. If you don’t believe me, just take a drive on the 215. As an aribitrator, I feel like i’m seeing more and more low-quality cases being litigated. Some of that is doubtless because certain carriers are becoming more difficult to deal with, but too many lawyers chasing too few decent cases is also a factor in my view. And I’m not suggesting that every case has to be gold-plated – those often settle before I see them – only that I’m seeing more junk than I used to.
*And I suppose that, as an arbitrator, I should probably learn how to spell “arbitrator.”
A different arbitrator here.
But I agree with 2:33. The PI market is saturated. Some of the PI cases I am seeing should not have been accepted for representation.
Based on information and belief (where have I heard that phrase before?), the larger PI firms have an intake team, basically make a pitch to sign people up. Some have intake attorneys who sign up the client and pass the case of to a litigation team.
But I could be wrong. Would like to hear from the plaintiff lawyers about this.
NJA actually has a Bootcamp seminar. Trial lawyers university is good. However, as others have said – you really need to go work at a top notch firm and emerse yourself in it. How I valued a case 5-10 years ago is way different and my work up is way different, which has led to much better results and larger numbers. You don’t know what you don’t know and you really can’t learn it, unless you are in it.
Do public Nevada Supreme Court pleadings meet your definition of non-whackonicity?
Re the Temple portion of the City Council meeting:
Crazy Cat Lady rides again!
Nathan Taylor 100% should have gone first for the opposition. I’m a supporter of the temple, but I could agree with his stance of asking to wait and have another neighborhood meeting. That’s a reasonable ask, I think. Kind of odd that he wanted “a neutral site” when, by design, those sorts of building don’t exist in the area.
Meanwhile, you have rabbis, ministers, and others standing in support.
But they got the steeple knocked down 20 feet, removed an entrance, and threatened the church with an ambiguous Dark Sky ordinance. So that’s something, right?
Also support the temple and also agree Nathan Taylor did a nice job. A lot of the vitriol could have been avoided if he (or someone like him) had been involved from the beginning. It was obvious that Mr. Taylor convinced his clients (the opposing neighbors) to change their approach. Their comments were VERY DIFFERENT this time around. Still, there are some real wounds from this process. That was pretty obvious from some of the commentary from the council members themselves.
I’m LDS. 196 feet vs 216? I don’t really care.
That dark sky ordinance is gonna be a disaster. Does it retroactively apply to the temple? Given its origins, does it trigger constitutional issues? The Church should just agree to shut off the lights at 11 PM and the opposing neighbors should just accept that. That avoids a giant legal mess.
Years ago, my wife was complaining that our first apartment was in a “bad” part of town. So I took her out to eat at a restaurant in an actual bad part of town. Sometimes, people in these upper class neighborhoods (including the one that I live in) get their tit in a wringer over the dumbest, most inconsequential shit. The most minor thing gets blown out of proportion into an existential matter. If they had to live like most of the people in the rest of the valley, they wouldn’t be clutching their pearls over a blinking FAA light or the setbacks of a proposed bar a block away. If people on the east side saw some of the whining that occurs in front of the City Council on planning issues I think they would be a combination of pissed and amused.
The reason the time was split between Valerie Juecks (sp?) and Nathan Taylor is because the opposing neighbors were not in agreement with each other. Valerie represented the view that he temple should be denied entirely. Taylor represented the view that the City should impose significant modifications. I attended both meetings. VJ’s presentation at the planning and zoning meeting was like a conspiracy theory character straight out of central casting. Her presentation tonight was still nonsensical, but focused and not conspiratorial.