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- California and New York’s governors both issued stay at home orders–apparently going further that Governor Sisolak. [Las Vegas Sun]
- How will this affect the legal profession? Does this change how your firm is operating? Are any of you pivoting to a different practice area already? Any predictions?
Our firm, including our staff, are working remotely. We purchased laptops for our staff. I see several firms with attorneys working remotely while they make their staff go to the office. Shame on you if you are doing that. That reminds me of the rich folks who took the lifeboats, leaving spots empty, and screwing the working class people on the Titanic. Protect your people.
@ 10:03, you sound like a forward-thinking person who realizes your firm is unable to function without the "minions". My firm is employing the "rich people are taking the lifeboats" mentality and it is dispiriting. Assuming it will close as a result of its negligent and careless decisions.
Akerman's office stayed open for a long time.
My firm went full remote. It was stressful to get it done, but it is worth it. Everything is cloud based, so for those that didn't have laptops, we loaded their computers up and sent them home with them. Everybody has the ability to print/scan/send mail, etc. I agree with 10:03 a.m. We need to keep our staff, our attorneys, and the general public safe. Just because we CAN keep our physical offices open doesn't mean we HAVE to. Stay home for Nevada!
Boning up on my bankruptcy law.
Smart cookie.
I brought this up with someone at my office and was dismissed because they said it was impossible to make money doing BK. There's gonna be a tsunami of work. This seems like a good idea to learn BK. Thoughts?
Bankruptcy is really technical and easy to screw up if you don't know what you're doing. if you're going to learn it you should try to find a mentor.
While I agree with 11:48, it will be much safer this economic downturn with Markell not in the picture.
I am researching the BK software out there. So many providers! And there will be a lot of Chapter 7s in a couple of months.
What is the going rate that local attys are charging for a Ch 7?
I think there is only one real piece of software if you think you will be doing debtor-side bankruptcy and it is not even close.
What is that 2:20?
2:20, please share the name of this "only one real piece of software" for debtor attorneys. 2:32 and I (1:32) really would like to know!
BestCase…
This is 1:32. Thanks for the info, 4:41!
Markell was amazing. I bet there is a correlation between TDS sufferers and Markell detractors.
Bestcase is the choice for software, and 11:48 is absolutely correct. During the last downturn, so many clowns entered the BK arena and really bolloxed things. Don't be a clown.
I remember BK being very profitable for me during the Great Recession – at first. Made several very good and lucrative placements with commercial law firms here in town. But after the first few years the big bucks were gone. Basic tenant of BK is that at the commercial level there still need to be some assets left to make a case profitable. Consumer BK will always be an option, but that's usually more of a flat fee, high volume business model.
I am out-of-state right now trying to protect my family on farm land back in MO. My relative is fighting with another separated relative over keeping the child safe (one is cautious and wise and my eventual opposing party is stupid and thinks the child can travel, etc. i.e., "There's nothing to worry about.") I do business law and know nothing of Family Court. How do I even file a Motion down there? Are they all video hearings now? No one answered when I called the Clerk's Office. I need to protect this child now. Thank you for any help and stay safe back in Vegas.
You can e-file as an attorney or visit http://www.familylawselfhelpcenter.org for instruction on remote e-filing. Most domestic departments are doing telephonic hearings if needed or if there is an emergency. Most departments prefer orders/decrees be emailed rather than having hard-copies submitted. You can still file an ex parte motion for Order Shortening Time (please email the order to your assigned department). Once you have your department assignment, you may wish to call or email the law clerk or JEA. Many working in family court are working remotely. Some folks, like me, are actually at their desk. I hope this helps.
10:53 here – thank you 1:55. I appreciate you taking time out of your day to help a child. I wish safety for you and your family. God Bless.
Is the child located in MO or in NV? There is something called "home state" which controls which state has jurisdiction over the child. That is the very first thing to determine.
If NV is the child's "home state," our Self-Help Center (which 1:55 gave you the link to) is a great resource.
Our firm is completely open and not allowing anyone to work from home. Most of the staff are young so the virus will not impact them. Shutting the firm down would just allow staff to be lazy at home.
Sounds like you're a shitty leader on multiple levels. If your staff won't work unless someone is watching, you've done a poor job of training them and structuring your firm. Also exposing your staff (and their families, which may include at-risk individuals) during a pandemic is a shitty thing to do.
I agree with 11:31- this pandemic is really highlighting firm leaders' true colors. We all knew you were a terrible leader, but now we really KNOW it.
Your firm is a bad firm and your leaders are selfish people who will get others killed.
@ 11:29: It's not just about whether the virus affects the young staff, which can be severe in some cases. It's also about whether the young people (even if asymptomatic) will pass the virus on to vulnerable people.
Alverson is still open or was. Hall Jaffe, anyone else?
@12:02 A-T continues to ignore reality.Heard some of the staff is discussing filing a law suit. More power to them.
@ 12:02 – both notoriously terrible places to work, what a shock.
11:29 = sarcasm, folks. CV may take your life, but don't let it take your sense of humor.
CV is a lazy bum's dream.
My solo boss had me go remote over a month ago. Being very generous to me. I would post who she is, but I do not want her to be bad mouthed like she was before.
I support 12:01. You are lucky.
I support 11:29. You don't shut down the economy for what is essentially a common cold.
OMG. Another Corona Truther.
He would rather have covid 19 over the common cold.
I know a corona-truther who is keeping his practice open and making his staff come in every day because he believes the early talking points from Fox News and Trump that this is no different than the seasonal flu. The staff is furious and I think they would walk out if they could.
Typical liberal. People are dying and 12:50 connects it to Trump. It shook me to my core when Obama was elected. It seriously affected my life and made me nauseated for a long time. But I never disrespected him in word or deed because he needed the support of the US and he was our President. I truly believe TDS is real. There are those that hate Trump so bad it colors every part of their judgement. C'mon man, wake up.
1:27,
12:50 PM here. What part of that was wrong? Trump and Fox News were dismissive of this early on. Thankfully, they've walked that back. But there are still people who are parroting the original talking points. How is that observation "deranged"?
Do you dispute that Fox News and Trump were initially dismissive of CV19?
Who wants to bet that total Covid 19 deaths will be less than the common flu in 2020?
Yeah, I thought so.
This is what you get when you neuter men through the media.
Wait for it: If even one death could have been prevented it was worth shutting down the entire US economy
I would take that bet, and I would bet my entire 401(k), if I could. I would bet every penny of equity in my house. I would bet both my left and my right nut.
I think I know who you are talking about. He still makes his staff give him high fives and hugs.
Any family law lawyers going to help 10:53?
Governor Sisolak out there cracking skulls of those who are too stupid or too selfish to shutter and stay home.
“First I asked. That didn’t work. Then I ordered. If this doesn’t work, they will face appropriate civil and criminal penalties as a result of their inaction.”
It's still not a mandatory order. No penalties for non-compliance. My office will be staying open and conducting business as usual.
Does anyone have the executive order?
I suspect that it will be a formal Executive Order and that the Executive Order will have penalties. My guess is that Sisolak wanted to rush out a press conference before his team was really ready to issue the EO because there is so much nuance in there.
"So much nuance"? How about the fact that any such order is a complete violation of the constitutional rights of the people of NV? "Shelter in place" is a house arrest without due process of law.
At 3:21
Not true. There is a public safety exception. You learned about it in Torts 1, in the form of government destruction of houses in an 18 something city wide fire. (That is unless you were skating through law school on Nutshell notes). The case deals with compensation for property loss, but the public safety power is discussed.
Except the Governor has not indicated criminal penalties against individuals to shelter in place or even any executive order against individuals. The Executive Order only has penalties against business entities that remain open. Businesses cannot be subject to house arrest.
Here's the link to the Governor's Emergency Directive 003: https://nvhealthresponse.nv.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/2020-03-20.Declaration-of-Emergency-Directive-003.pdf
Looks to me that if you can staff your office with less than 10 people and follow social distancing, then section 8 permits law firms to be open.
Thanks for the link. I notice that Governor Adolf has not listed auto repair shops and truck stops among the Essential Licensed Businesses he listed. Nor law offices.
He actually did not list any essential businesses in this EO. Instead he used the opposite approach of "If I did not list you, then you can stay open so long as you social distance." The interesting thing is that he appears to order that no essential business can have more than 10 people. Hospitals? Medical offices? I know he is doing this on the fly but his directives/orders often times leave as many ambiguities as they solve.
Dear God. You thought grocery stores were fucked up before?
Take-out, curbside pickup, or delivery aren't feasible for grocery stores. So they are left with limiting access. But they also can't allow lines to form with people closer than 6 feet. So expect to walk at least a mile in line, shuffling 5 feet at a time, 6 feet behind the person in front of you, before you can even enter fucking Winco.
I might understand that if it were tickets to a hot concert. But to buy bread?
Riots will absolutely break out.
You can still get grocery delivery you just have to schedule it out a bit. Fuck waiting in those long lines.
4:12, you need to read Section 4 more closely. The last bullet point states that any Essential Licensed Businesses that cannot provide takeout, curbside, etc. are just required to implement sanitation and disinfection policies that comply with the CDC. When you say things like "Riots will absolutely break out," you are only propagating unnecessary panic. Are you even a lawyer?
I went online today to see about curb-side pick-up at Raleys… One week wait. I walked inside, got everything I wanted. No biggie, no crowds, no panic.
4:45, maybe you need to re-read Section 4. Nothing in the last bullet point indicates that the sanitation requirement supersedes the limited access requirement. If you can't provide curbside, delivery, or takeout, you need to both sanitize regularly and restrict access.
Where is there a Raleys in Southern Nevada?
@5:32: reporting from Reno. 🙂
just got back from Costco. No TP rice or pasta. The line outside was 5 minutes but once inside, it was spacious and completely without any angst. Got everything I needed and was out in 20 minutes. Shut up about riots already
Have law firms started lay offs yet?
Question: Justice Court of Las Vegas Township said that it was halting Writs of Execution. EJDC did not state that in its Administrative Order. Can you still get writs from EJDC? Will the Sheriff/Constable serve them so long as not from LVJC?
Judge Bell issued 2 new Administrative Orders late on March 20th (20-09 and 20-10). All Writs are stayed. Everyone really needs copies of these 2 Orders because it effectively turns the practice of law in this District off. All Orders to be submitted electronically. No courtesy copies. No subpoenas. No IMEs. If I knew how to post them I would; they are not yet up on the Court's website. http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/general/court-rules-and-administrative-orders/
Here are the Administrative Orders
https://eighthjdcourt.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/ao20_09.pdf
https://eighthjdcourt.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/administrative-order-20-10-court-process.pdf
I am sad to watch the mainstream media directly undermine efforts to manage the pandemic and its severe economic consequences. It also contributes to social division, as my CNN/CNBC/MSNBC/NPR following friends literally live in an alternate reality. I am losing friends over this.
then stop watching Fox and Alex Jones for "news" Go back to "believing the evidence or your ears and eyes" like normal folk.
Let's call out those law firms that are still making attorneys and/or staff go into the office to work (I want to know where to no longer send referrals).
Name names:
Alverson
Legal blacklisting, @10:59? Real professional.
The issue isn't bad matters (blacklisting), it's attorneys who put their employees and their families in harm's way. But sure, make this about a professional party foul.
Hutchison and Steffen is still open.
Here is my problem with blacklisting: unless you are in those firms, you have no idea if they are "making attorneys and/or staff go into the office to work." 8:53 shows the problem by alleging that a firm is still open. Sure– firms are allowed to stay open.
There is a HUGE difference between firms staying open, firms allowing attorneys or staff to come into the office and maintain social distancing and those firms requiring people to come into the office. Different firms are dealing with it differently. I know of a firm that the attorneys agreed that they would be in the office and the staff would be at home because attorneys have separate offices set apart while staff is in cubicles. I know of a firm where they are rotating who is in the office on what days to keep population down and spread apart. I know of a firm where everyone is working from home except one staff person and one attorney just to troubleshoot if anything happens in the office. These are turbulent times. People may not like the way our firm is handling things as people too open or too closed. I hope to be able to tell you in 18 months who was right.
Black and LoBello open until middle of this week. We have some virus truthers here.
Sisolak's Declaration allows law firms (and any other non-listed industry/business) to stay open if they trim down the number of people in the office and follow social-distancing practices. Take a look at Section 8. If the Governor allows it, what's the objection? Plus, based on this Declaration, half the people in the state are still working.
Resnick and Louis is still open
The State Bar posted an article about it. Maybe this will make these firms go remote?
Guidance for Law Firms and Attorneys re: Governor’s Order from Fri. March 20, 2020 – State Bar of Nevada
https://www.nvbar.org/guidance-for-law-firms-and-attorneys-re-governors-order-from-fri-march-20-2020/
Like much of what goes on with the State Bar, that link is broken
It would appear they took the post down.
https://www.nvbar.org/guidance-for-law-firms-and-attorneys-re-governors-order-from-fri-march-20-2020
Yes, I think they removed the post.
Because it was wrong. It indicated all firms had to close down. The Governor never ordered that. Not even close.
Law firms must close. Not an essential business, Steven. I know you want to get back to business, but you are wrong.
non-essential? Tell that to the people sitting in jail who were arrested over the weekend that they are not entitled to counsel. Tell that to the woman who needs an emergency pick-up order or TPO from family court. We are absolutely essential and just need to take precautions in the office. I will keep working unless and until all of my clients are released from CCDC.
Non-essential? Tell that to the pregnant mom and her baby's health is at risk , because you are more concerned about making money . Tell that to my 60 year old boyfriend who is battling cancer who your client are spreading the virus to. Tell that to my RN sister who works at UMC who iscworkung without PPEs, look it up. Tell that to to the elderly and those who have underlying conditions. Tell that to your support staff who are risking their lives so you can make a buck. You are nonessential spreader.
"I will keep working unless and until all of my clients are released from CCDC." What if they belong in CCDC for the common good? Or do the rights of criminals trump the right of victims? Asking for a friend.
Why can't you work from home for your clients in the CCDC? You come off as a selfish, self-righteous dick, honestly.
8:58 did come off pompously sanctimonious. And yet his point is valid– lawyers are essential. Professional services have been defined as essential under the Executive Order and allowed to stay open. That does not mean offices packed with people. It means able to transact business.
I am not certain where the ability of an attorney to continue to represent clients (telephonically and via email) puts a "pregnant mom and her baby's health is at risk" or jeopardizes "my 60 year old boyfriend who is battling cancer". 8:58 never said that he/she had support staff, that he/she was making support staff come in or that he/she were even going into an office.
!0;37, yawn. Wash your hands. Have your support staff and other attorneys come in, because you want to make money. No, a lawyer is not an essential business, even though you think so.
Yeah you didn't anything 10:37 wrote. No one is talking about making money. Frankly people are talking about just keeping society moving forward–processing criminal defendants on both the prosecutorial and defense sides, advising clients of their personal and business rights in a time of panic. You are confusing the practice of law as an essential business with making "support staff and other attorneys come in." They are quite distinct.
Lawyers are "essential businesses" because that is what the law says. Has nothing to do with what any of us think. If you disagree, change the law/Executive Order. But so long as there are laws to be followed/ignored, lawyers will be an essential business activity.
So you are ignoring the CDC and the governor's order as a non-profit? You are a saint, who spreads covid 19.
Law offices are not an essential business, period. Sorry you want to be a public health hazard, because you do not know how to read or understand basic science. You probably hoard, and work at Alverson Taylor.
How are criminal law firms an essential business??? DA Wolfson is letting all the criminals go right now down at the RJC during the pandemic. Police stations are closed to the public, but you think you are essential business? No one cares what you think.
@12:12 Not ignoring as a "non-profit," but complying with the order as legal services are included as essential businesses. Read the order and the accompanying law.
12:09, do you want try that again?
You want me to respond to your post at 12:12, your post at 12:13, your post at 12:15 or your post at 12:19? Which one?
–> 12:12- The CDC has not ordered law firms closed, only social distancing and hygiene. Executive Order 003 from the Governor says law firms are essential businesses.
–> 12:15- Pursuant to subsection(w) of the Executive Order says that you are wrong (again). Ironic that you would come back with "you do not know how to read" but since you posted 4 times in 7 minutes one should really not be surprised.
–> 12:19 And then one realizes that they are probably being trolled. No Wolfson is not letting all criminals go. The Court issued specific guidelines on citations and appearances that did not come from the District Attorney; numerous offenses continue to be prosecuted. Police stations are not closed.
I wish you peace in this time of personal crisis.
Not the same person, I posted at 12:12 only, but thanks for giving me power than just one post.
I think your liberal use of the comma gives you power.
1:43, I was down at the RJV today, and Wolfson and the courts were excusing a number of prosecutions, so you are wrong.
Grammadoc, the post is grammatically correct, so defensive.
Police stations are not open to the public. You have to file reports online,1:43.
RIF: Reading is Fundamental. Police stations are open for business. The post did not say open to the public. Police business and legal business proceed forward.
Stfu, reading is fundamental. Yes, proceed forward so you can spread the virus.
2:01, Fuck you!
Earlier posts are correct. If you want to infect other oeople, proceed. By the way, the police station is closed to the public. My client went down and they are closed to the public.
That is correct about police stations. They are closed. CDC is advising social distancing and only going out in emergencies. Maybe you can explain how your law firm is special and is an essential business, because it is not.
Sure. The Governor's Executive Order 002 and then again 003 stated that law firms are essential businesses. It is really that simple. Don't like it? Change the law. Convince the Governor otherwise.