My blood boils every time Henry Ruggs is in the news. That woman burned to death, as did her dog. And he has been given a very light, very accommodating sentence. Fuck that guy.
I just have to put those thoughts in a box in my brain and lock it. I cannot even fathom what that woman and her dog went through.
Thinking about it from a legal perspective, any thoughts on liability on the Raiders. Is there some argument to be made that they were neglect and/or reckless in dropping so much money on an unsophisticated young man without guardrails in place? I wouldn’t give a 23 year old man millions of dollars. Their brains aren’t fully formed yet and they are known for doing stupid things like buying massively overpowered vehicles and driving recklessly. Not to mention the DUI part. There’s probably not liability, but just thoughts going around. Any other avenues to find liability?
While I am so sickened by the horrific death Ruggs caused, and I’m no fan of the Raiders’ organization, there is no way the Raiders can or should have liability for this.
10:25 here. You’re probably right. The longer I think about it the more it’s just one of those slippery slope, bad-cases-make-bad-law situations. Hopefully he had a huge insurance policy and the family at least got that.
Yeah, Fuck the Raiders organization for many other reasons, but not this. My understanding is that the Raiders and NFL go out of their way to prevent players from drinking and driving.
He was at Top Golf drinking for hours and then got in his Corvette and zoomed away. No Dram Shop in Nevada but he should not have been allowed to get into that car.
Let me make you feel just a little better. It’s highly unlikely Rugg will ever make another dime playing or coaching professional football. The chances are slim and none. He’ll be blacklisted. He’s functionally illiterate and has no marketable skill other than running fast and catching a football. The friends and accolytes he once had aren’t the sort to be loyal now that he’s useless to them. So while he may technically be out of custody, his options to earn a legal living are, to say the least, limited. And his ego isn’t going to allow him to do the menial labor for which he is qualified. So, notwithstanding his physical freedom, he’s not going enjoy the rest of his life very much.
Yeah, they said that about lots of NFL players that get into very public trouble. My prediction is that by the time he gets loose of NDOC and if he has probation, he will get permission to transfer to another town and will get a contract. He wont likely make the same amount of money. But, I am betting he plays again.
Disagree. The Raiders cannot and will not sign him, but another NFL team will. The people in that city will not have seen the repeated news stories about the woman burning alive, but will be treated to a story about redemption and second chances.
They said the same thing about Michael Vick. And Rugg’s case did not pull nearly the national press that Vick’s did.
I am not equating the reckless DUI killing of a woman and her dog with Vick’s dogfighting in severity. I am simply comparing the amount of Press received by both and the ability of a convicted felon to come back and play in the NFL.
Functionally illiterate you say? Well, he should have no problem with becoming a Las Vegas real estate agent. If that exam is too hard, he can always fall back on the new Nevada Bar exam.
P has sued D1 and D2. There is no question that D3 should have also been sued, but wasn’t. D1, D2, and D3 also have counterclaims against P.
Can D1 and D2 file their Answer and Counterclaim, with D3 joining the Counterclaim? Or does D3 have to somehow become a Defendant first? Or file a separate case and then consolidate? Or something else entirely?
D3 has to file a separate suit and consolidate, or D1 and/or D2 have to bring a Third Party Complaint against D3. If D3 was, in fact, a necessary and indispensable party to P suit, you should look at NRCP 19 – Requirement to Join Indispensable Parties and check your SOL.
NRCP 14, Impleader. D1, D2 should file Answer, Counterclaim, and Impleader all at once. Drag them into court if necessary kicking and screaming. Court caption and party roles can be modified at an actual court hearing on the matter, perhaps a Scheduling Conference or Status Check
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November 7, 2024 9:47 am
Sometimes im proud of the judicial system, justice, etc but when I think of that low life pos Ruggs, I’m ashamed of the entire process.
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November 7, 2024 10:04 am
Say I want to develop a piece of land, and I go through the planning process and get all the okays. Some neighbors file suit against the relevant governing body claiming that the okays were bad. I put my $0.02 in, saying “hey, you should let us help defend this.” The judge decides to hear our motion in chambers. How long after the chambers date should we wait before trying to follow-up? Two weeks? More?
No, of course not. This is a totally different development in a different area. The guy who sold me the land goes to a different school. You wouldn’t know him.
In all seriousness, as a member of the Church, I hope Israel sits on this until there are shovels in the ground. The temple opponents can’t and won’t obtain a preliminary injunction. By the time the litigation gets resolved, it will all be moot.
I can name an even worse situation. All is the same, except the Plaintiff in the case I know about DIDNT EVEN PARTICIPATE in the hearings before the governing body, but sued anyway, saying the “okays” were bad. Plaintiff in my case also claims, without evidence, that the landowner bribed the members of the governing body. AND worse, the Plaintiff, when the landowner tried to intervene in the lawsuit, objected. So as bad as your scenario is 10:04 AM, the case I am aware of is much, much worse.
Also, Plaintiff dabbles in performative histrionic victimhood in my case.
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November 7, 2024 10:28 am
Kadarius Toney of the New York Giants drew criticism for seeming to ignore the gravity of the situation and excuse Ruggs when he tweeted, “We young…..everybody make mistakes… he know he messed up don’t drag em for it……that’s goofy to me” End of quote so Yeah burned someone alive – what’s the problem he a football player?
My goodness! Must be nice to have so much integrity. It’s too bad there’s so many bad people in our legal community who practice criminal defense. Maybe we can make a ballot initiative next election to just execute people like Ruggs without giving them counsel.
That’s a bit extreme 11:46. OP just said they wouldn’t have defended him. Just because he’s entitled to a defense does not mean that random attorneys can be pressed into service. Also there’s an ethical obligation for attorneys to withdraw from cases in which the client insists on an action that is repugnant to the lawyer or that they have a fundamental disagreement with. 11:30’s comment is in line with that obligation.
Oh boy. Thats a little over the top, especially when 1030am said nothing about criminal defense bar. All they said was that they “could never have defended him.”
Thats their call and to blather on and put words in their mouth is weak sauce.
Grow TF up.
124 here. I probably could have defended him. But as criminal defense is about 25% of my practice, I decline to defend child molesters and rapists. Even if I think that they are innocent.
But I would never NEVER slam on an attorney that does.
I could be wrong (said few attorneys ever), but I think 11:46 was being a bit hyperbolic. Those who don’t want to do criminal defense shouldn’t. But we all know about the sixth amendment right? It’s an important one – even for murderers and rapists and people who have abortions or criminally teach critical race theory.
Nah. I might be wrong too, but . . . actually I am of the opinion that 11:46 is saying they have at least some standard they wouldn’t sink below. But you do you.
My blood boils every time Henry Ruggs is in the news. That woman burned to death, as did her dog. And he has been given a very light, very accommodating sentence. Fuck that guy.
Ancient Astronaut Theorists say yes!
I just have to put those thoughts in a box in my brain and lock it. I cannot even fathom what that woman and her dog went through.
Thinking about it from a legal perspective, any thoughts on liability on the Raiders. Is there some argument to be made that they were neglect and/or reckless in dropping so much money on an unsophisticated young man without guardrails in place? I wouldn’t give a 23 year old man millions of dollars. Their brains aren’t fully formed yet and they are known for doing stupid things like buying massively overpowered vehicles and driving recklessly. Not to mention the DUI part. There’s probably not liability, but just thoughts going around. Any other avenues to find liability?
While I am so sickened by the horrific death Ruggs caused, and I’m no fan of the Raiders’ organization, there is no way the Raiders can or should have liability for this.
10:25 here. You’re probably right. The longer I think about it the more it’s just one of those slippery slope, bad-cases-make-bad-law situations. Hopefully he had a huge insurance policy and the family at least got that.
Yeah, Fuck the Raiders organization for many other reasons, but not this. My understanding is that the Raiders and NFL go out of their way to prevent players from drinking and driving.
He was at Top Golf drinking for hours and then got in his Corvette and zoomed away. No Dram Shop in Nevada but he should not have been allowed to get into that car.
And then when police talked to him at the hospital, he was arrogant and belligerent. He and girlfriend made no attempt to render help at the scene.
For reals, FUCK that guy
Let me make you feel just a little better. It’s highly unlikely Rugg will ever make another dime playing or coaching professional football. The chances are slim and none. He’ll be blacklisted. He’s functionally illiterate and has no marketable skill other than running fast and catching a football. The friends and accolytes he once had aren’t the sort to be loyal now that he’s useless to them. So while he may technically be out of custody, his options to earn a legal living are, to say the least, limited. And his ego isn’t going to allow him to do the menial labor for which he is qualified. So, notwithstanding his physical freedom, he’s not going enjoy the rest of his life very much.
Yeah, they said that about lots of NFL players that get into very public trouble. My prediction is that by the time he gets loose of NDOC and if he has probation, he will get permission to transfer to another town and will get a contract. He wont likely make the same amount of money. But, I am betting he plays again.
Just my $0.02
There is already precedent for this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Lewis#Murder_trial
Disagree. The Raiders cannot and will not sign him, but another NFL team will. The people in that city will not have seen the repeated news stories about the woman burning alive, but will be treated to a story about redemption and second chances.
OP–
They said the same thing about Michael Vick. And Rugg’s case did not pull nearly the national press that Vick’s did.
I am not equating the reckless DUI killing of a woman and her dog with Vick’s dogfighting in severity. I am simply comparing the amount of Press received by both and the ability of a convicted felon to come back and play in the NFL.
It is after all the NFL and not the Nevada Bar.
Yeah, the NFL has 200 questions on their entrance exam, double the Nevada Bar! 😉
I was referring to the NV Bar death penalty. Once you’re gone you can’t come back.
SCR 93 (5)(c) and 102(1)(a)
Functionally illiterate you say? Well, he should have no problem with becoming a Las Vegas real estate agent. If that exam is too hard, he can always fall back on the new Nevada Bar exam.
I hope you are right. But remember Michael Vick?
I have a procedural question for you all…
P has sued D1 and D2. There is no question that D3 should have also been sued, but wasn’t. D1, D2, and D3 also have counterclaims against P.
Can D1 and D2 file their Answer and Counterclaim, with D3 joining the Counterclaim? Or does D3 have to somehow become a Defendant first? Or file a separate case and then consolidate? Or something else entirely?
D3 has to file a separate suit and consolidate, or D1 and/or D2 have to bring a Third Party Complaint against D3. If D3 was, in fact, a necessary and indispensable party to P suit, you should look at NRCP 19 – Requirement to Join Indispensable Parties and check your SOL.
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My advice. Get a healthy fee advance. Put a bail out clause in your engagement letter if billing are not kept current.
NRCP 14, Impleader. D1, D2 should file Answer, Counterclaim, and Impleader all at once. Drag them into court if necessary kicking and screaming. Court caption and party roles can be modified at an actual court hearing on the matter, perhaps a Scheduling Conference or Status Check
Sometimes im proud of the judicial system, justice, etc but when I think of that low life pos Ruggs, I’m ashamed of the entire process.
Say I want to develop a piece of land, and I go through the planning process and get all the okays. Some neighbors file suit against the relevant governing body claiming that the okays were bad. I put my $0.02 in, saying “hey, you should let us help defend this.” The judge decides to hear our motion in chambers. How long after the chambers date should we wait before trying to follow-up? Two weeks? More?
Asking for a friend.
Lone Mountain?
No, of course not. This is a totally different development in a different area. The guy who sold me the land goes to a different school. You wouldn’t know him.
Maybe he knows my girlfriend in Canada.
You will get it when you get it. There is neither timeline nor accountability.
In all seriousness, as a member of the Church, I hope Israel sits on this until there are shovels in the ground. The temple opponents can’t and won’t obtain a preliminary injunction. By the time the litigation gets resolved, it will all be moot.
I can name an even worse situation. All is the same, except the Plaintiff in the case I know about DIDNT EVEN PARTICIPATE in the hearings before the governing body, but sued anyway, saying the “okays” were bad. Plaintiff in my case also claims, without evidence, that the landowner bribed the members of the governing body. AND worse, the Plaintiff, when the landowner tried to intervene in the lawsuit, objected. So as bad as your scenario is 10:04 AM, the case I am aware of is much, much worse.
Also, Plaintiff dabbles in performative histrionic victimhood in my case.
Kadarius Toney of the New York Giants drew criticism for seeming to ignore the gravity of the situation and excuse Ruggs when he tweeted, “We young…..everybody make mistakes… he know he messed up don’t drag em for it……that’s goofy to me” End of quote so Yeah burned someone alive – what’s the problem he a football player?
So, every 23-year-old gets to burn at least one person alive? That’s goofy to me Kadarius.
One person and one dog
Kadarius Toney is as stupid as they come.
I get all the arguments for right to an attorney etc. but I could never have defended him. Never.
My goodness! Must be nice to have so much integrity. It’s too bad there’s so many bad people in our legal community who practice criminal defense. Maybe we can make a ballot initiative next election to just execute people like Ruggs without giving them counsel.
That’s a bit extreme 11:46. OP just said they wouldn’t have defended him. Just because he’s entitled to a defense does not mean that random attorneys can be pressed into service. Also there’s an ethical obligation for attorneys to withdraw from cases in which the client insists on an action that is repugnant to the lawyer or that they have a fundamental disagreement with. 11:30’s comment is in line with that obligation.
Oh boy. Thats a little over the top, especially when 1030am said nothing about criminal defense bar. All they said was that they “could never have defended him.”
Thats their call and to blather on and put words in their mouth is weak sauce.
Grow TF up.
124 here. I probably could have defended him. But as criminal defense is about 25% of my practice, I decline to defend child molesters and rapists. Even if I think that they are innocent.
But I would never NEVER slam on an attorney that does.
I could be wrong (said few attorneys ever), but I think 11:46 was being a bit hyperbolic. Those who don’t want to do criminal defense shouldn’t. But we all know about the sixth amendment right? It’s an important one – even for murderers and rapists and people who have abortions or criminally teach critical race theory.
Nah. I might be wrong too, but. . . .
actually I am of the opinion that 1146 is just a judgy as fuck prick/prickette.
Nah. I might be wrong too, but . . . actually I am of the opinion that 11:46 is saying they have at least some standard they wouldn’t sink below. But you do you.
Ooooh La La! Look at you, Your Eminence!
Standards!?
Due Process…The right to a zealous advocate (who is willing to “sink below” “some” “standard”)
“Maybe we can make a ballot initiative next election to just execute people like Ruggs”
In Rugg’s case, that is not a bad idea.
Any insight on how or why he got such a light sentence? Metro, or Wolfson’s office screw up?
I had heard at some point that metro screwed the pooch
I’m quite sure Chesnoff sleeps very well.
JD 2028 – Too soon?
No way. Ride that red wave, homie!
Didn’t you hear? Trump will anoint himself America’s Caesar on day one. He will hold power until he passes and then Barron will take the mantle.
Fkn A! I am all in for that monarchy. 🙄🙄
UNBURDENED
Hahahahahah yes by what has been!
So Ruggs is above the law, huh? It’s gross to watch