Can an experienced criminal defense lawyer or prosecutor explain to me on what planet it is ever permissible for the judge to have an ex parte meeting with a prosecutor and a witness.
With only the details from the article, seems like this attorney is unlikely to end up serving. This has the appearance of retaliation from the judge for calling a clearly inappropriate meeting.
Follow the whole thing. It’s crazy, the witness just fired a stand in for his regular attorney. Oh yeah it’s day 88 of trial, when the jury was impaneled last February. And by the way, the attorney who brought up that it was not permissible to have the ex parte meeting, is now in criminal contempt and sentenced to 20 days jail, on the weekend, for not revealing who told him about the meeting–oh yeah it was the witnesses attorney. Apparently, the judge and DA may have explained to the witness that taking the 5th, after signing an immunity agreement, may land him in jail for years….. That witness, took the fifth not as to how old he was (answer: I’m a grown man”) but to how many years old…
O-M-G! This is effin’ HILARIOUS! The hypos write themselves, don’t they? (Shoutout to “the D” hat!) My professional responsibility professor said you never know when you may need to bring a toothbrush to a representation, LOL! This is an object lesson in why you don’t want to let the wrong people into this profession by eliminating the LSAT, the MPRE, and the Barzam. It’s bad enough that there are people already in the profession who passed who don’t know what they are doing.
Oh, it’s gotten even nuttier.
The judge, who participated in an ex parte conference he should not have had, has now issued an OSC to everyone who was present for the conference (that should not have occurred), including court personnel, and demanding to know why they shouldn’t be held in contempt for disclosing the ex parte communication. Like, the crime was bad enough, but the cover up is just.. chef’s kiss in incompetence and reversible error.
You cannot tell me that we do not have a couple of judges on the EJDC who would not know why this was and is not allowed.
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June 11, 2024 11:12 am
When are people going to stop putting dumb shit in writing? Don’t send an email when you can make a phone call. Don’t call when you can talk in person. Don’t talk when you can wink. Same applies to texting, Justin.
Don’t know what you are referring to specifically. There is an interesting murder trial going on in MA right now wherein it turns out that the primary investigating officer was texting lewd and disgusting comments about the defendant to his friends (including supervisors who did nothing about it) and his family members. Would not have come out except that they were obtained in a federal investigation and then turned over. Could well tank the prosecution case.
That’s actually the least of the prosecution’s problems in that case (if you are talking about Karen Read). It looks like she was framed by police officers for the death of her boyfriend, who was a Boston PD officer.
I am, and it is an interesting case. I’m not sure that I yet buy the conspiracy theory that he was killed in the house and then dumped on the lawn. It involves too many knuckleheads working together harmoniously and then keeping their mouths shut for the last two years. But on the other hand, there are way too many inconsistencies and things that just don’t add up for this to result in a murder conviction. Something definitely smells. The lead investigator’s testimony yesterday where he had to read the text messages aloud was a Mark Furhman moment, and probably sinks the prosecution’s case regardless of what additional evidence they are able to put up.
And this doesn’t just apply to criminal/unethical stuff.
Assume anything you put in writing will be an exhibit at your deposition, or that a judge will get a copy and ask you about it, or a client will get a copy, etc.
Hahaha I love it when 1:22 uses what is well known racial stereotypical word of “homie” when criticizing sexism. Combat ting prejudice with Uber prejudice. Awesome!
This will make 4 current judges who started their careers at Alverson Taylor – Michelle Leavitt, Anna Albertson, Tara Clark-Newberry, and Tina Talim. Two recent trial lawyers of the year started there as well (Ben Cloward and Christian Morris).
I haven’t worked there, but after working civil lit/ID for over a decade and chatting up colleagues, there’s a *lot* of people who have started or worked at ATMS at some point in their career.
I’d guess that if you picked a random courtroom full of lawyers at the RJC, there’d be at least one lawyer who has worked there
That you can name distinguished members of the legal community who are ATMS alum isn’t necessarily a positive for the late, not so great, ATMS. It’s purely an issue of volume. Hundreds of attorneys started their careers by cycling through ATMS’ churn and burn associate turnover. I didn’t work there, but it seemed like new associates lasted about a year, some more, some less.
There is at least one firm in town that I’m aware of that’s replicated this business model on a large scale. Not surprisingly, its equity partners were once churn and burn ATMS associates.
As a former ATMS alum I’m curious too. I can’t think of any firms out there that would fit this bill. I know Dave Mortensen’s team went to Messner and are now at Hutchinson–but they’ve remained relatively intact for several years now. Harper Selim?
Pretty much that they allowed people to rent out properties who leased them from others and the lease restricted subletting but AirBNB didn’t check nor enforce it. Class is owners of properties who rented to tenants and tenants sublet through AirBNB
Of if Air BnB is operating without its own license and refusing to pay lodging tax for marketing illegal/unauthorized short-term rentals.
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June 11, 2024 1:44 pm
Jay Bloom engaged in puffery? Say it isn’t so Joe!
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June 11, 2024 2:11 pm
If a government employee is found to have done an intentional act like deleting text messages to hid what he did, that causes that government entity/subsidiary/whatever to incur a liability, why is there not some way for the government entity to require that person to be financially responsible for some of what he/she did instead of the taxpayers? Jones is an attorney – he knew what he was doing was wrong but he did it anyway, and now the taxpayers are on the hook for liability from his actions.
Every single elected official has deleted text messages. They’re transient communications. Certainly they can be used to conduct govt business, but what is the purported significance? If they weren’t texts to the other commissioners then the texts wouldn’t have swayed the unanimous vote – right? What is the adverse inference here on spoilation grounds?
The adverse inference comes from the fact that the developer lost the vote. That doesn’t happen in this town, ergo, something must have been amiss in the missing text messages.
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June 11, 2024 2:54 pm
Running out of Land?
Not really a problem, BLM will just sell more land to the county. The bigger issue is water.
We have lots and lots of land. Just time to crack open the “rural” areas full of ratty old houses on half acre lots that like to pretend they’re living in Mayberry instead of a half mile from Costco.
The whole temple thing his bringing to light the absurdity of the vast swaths of low density housing in the northwest. It’d indefensible in a city this size and it’s time for it to go.
Fun fact: that land was once owned by West Baptist church. They were the ones that petitioned for annexation back in 1997. At the time, neighbors were concerned that a big church might be built there.
Meanwhile, at the same city council meeting in June 1997, the council approved the LDS church at Alexander and El Capitan. On a larger than 5 acre lot, zoned Civic, and next to residential.
These people in low density housing that are playing victim are hilarious. “You’ll ruin our dark skies.” LOL. Have you ever tried to use a telescope to see the stars at night. You have to drive FAR away from Las Vegas. You can’t see the night sky any better in Lone Mountain than you can in Summerlin.
These people are pampered, entitled rich snobs who are used to bullying their NIMBY way to what they want. They like being the 800 pound gorilla. Now they’re upset because an 8,000 pound gorilla showed up.
Listening to rich, NIMBY people complain about nearby development is how we ended up with the Badlands loss and massive liability.
There needs to be a push to eliminate the restrictive, low density housing near Lone Mountain.
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June 11, 2024 2:56 pm
New Dangerous Gang
Tren de Aragua, a transnational criminal gang tis now operating in the United States in multiple states. The Administration is puzzled how this happened, since every person entering into the US is vetted.
Honestly it sounds like a miserable existence going around being terrified of things that have absolutely no effect on your life. I promise you you’re 100,000x more likely to die in a car accident in LV than at the hands of a “transnational criminal gang.”
Can an experienced criminal defense lawyer or prosecutor explain to me on what planet it is ever permissible for the judge to have an ex parte meeting with a prosecutor and a witness.
R u thinking about young thug case – crazy huh?
With only the details from the article, seems like this attorney is unlikely to end up serving. This has the appearance of retaliation from the judge for calling a clearly inappropriate meeting.
It is funny the Judge is mad he got caught doing shady shit. A mistrial should be granted, especially now.
Follow the whole thing. It’s crazy, the witness just fired a stand in for his regular attorney. Oh yeah it’s day 88 of trial, when the jury was impaneled last February. And by the way, the attorney who brought up that it was not permissible to have the ex parte meeting, is now in criminal contempt and sentenced to 20 days jail, on the weekend, for not revealing who told him about the meeting–oh yeah it was the witnesses attorney. Apparently, the judge and DA may have explained to the witness that taking the 5th, after signing an immunity agreement, may land him in jail for years….. That witness, took the fifth not as to how old he was (answer: I’m a grown man”) but to how many years old…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM-qHEKZFUE
O-M-G! This is effin’ HILARIOUS! The hypos write themselves, don’t they? (Shoutout to “the D” hat!) My professional responsibility professor said you never know when you may need to bring a toothbrush to a representation, LOL! This is an object lesson in why you don’t want to let the wrong people into this profession by eliminating the LSAT, the MPRE, and the Barzam. It’s bad enough that there are people already in the profession who passed who don’t know what they are doing.
Oh, it’s gotten even nuttier.
The judge, who participated in an ex parte conference he should not have had, has now issued an OSC to everyone who was present for the conference (that should not have occurred), including court personnel, and demanding to know why they shouldn’t be held in contempt for disclosing the ex parte communication. Like, the crime was bad enough, but the cover up is just.. chef’s kiss in incompetence and reversible error.
He wins the Fran Fine Award.
Watched portion of the video. How can this judge sit there with a straight face and act like this is ok?
You cannot tell me that we do not have a couple of judges on the EJDC who would not know why this was and is not allowed.
When are people going to stop putting dumb shit in writing? Don’t send an email when you can make a phone call. Don’t call when you can talk in person. Don’t talk when you can wink. Same applies to texting, Justin.
Interesting- the firm I came from it was only writing – never hardly did anything verbally- thoughts?
Depends on what shenanigans you’re up to
I mean sure if you want to operate above board, record everything. If you’re going to say shady shit, put it in a phone call. That’s lawyering 101.
Don’t know what you are referring to specifically. There is an interesting murder trial going on in MA right now wherein it turns out that the primary investigating officer was texting lewd and disgusting comments about the defendant to his friends (including supervisors who did nothing about it) and his family members. Would not have come out except that they were obtained in a federal investigation and then turned over. Could well tank the prosecution case.
That’s actually the least of the prosecution’s problems in that case (if you are talking about Karen Read). It looks like she was framed by police officers for the death of her boyfriend, who was a Boston PD officer.
I am, and it is an interesting case. I’m not sure that I yet buy the conspiracy theory that he was killed in the house and then dumped on the lawn. It involves too many knuckleheads working together harmoniously and then keeping their mouths shut for the last two years. But on the other hand, there are way too many inconsistencies and things that just don’t add up for this to result in a murder conviction. Something definitely smells. The lead investigator’s testimony yesterday where he had to read the text messages aloud was a Mark Furhman moment, and probably sinks the prosecution’s case regardless of what additional evidence they are able to put up.
And this doesn’t just apply to criminal/unethical stuff.
Assume anything you put in writing will be an exhibit at your deposition, or that a judge will get a copy and ask you about it, or a client will get a copy, etc.
Why isn’t Jones disbarred?
Good question.
Jones who?
Justin
I know nothing about Tina Talim? Qualified? Well-connected?
Pretty eyes. Former Pilates instructor. So yes, very qualified.
She’s been a DA for almost 20 years homie, we don’t need the casual sexism.
Hahaha I love it when 1:22 uses what is well known racial stereotypical word of “homie” when criticizing sexism. Combat ting prejudice with Uber prejudice. Awesome!
1:22 here.
lol what?
Next you’re going to tell me I can’t call someone a dude because it’s a well known cowboy cultural word that I’m appropriating?
Well for one thing you may be misgendering them. Just fn with u – dude.
😛
Nah chief, dude is fully inclusive now:
I’m a dude, he’s a dude, she’s a dude, it’s a dude, they’re a dude, we’re all dudes.
“Chief” hahahaha now I kno ur just fn with me hahaha
I’m not your pal, bud.
Who are you calling pal, friend?
Jesus. Are you 80? Homie means friend to anyone 50 and under.
Yes, do you remember Homie the clown? 🙂
Calm down sport
Ageism
Lawyer hot.
Mid at best.
Seriously? She’s going to be appointed by Lombardo. She’s a DA.
Only applicant because only DAs get appointed under Lombardo. An attorney with an absolutely unremarkable career.
>An attorney with an absolutely unremarkable career.
That’s the title of my memoir!
This will make 4 current judges who started their careers at Alverson Taylor – Michelle Leavitt, Anna Albertson, Tara Clark-Newberry, and Tina Talim. Two recent trial lawyers of the year started there as well (Ben Cloward and Christian Morris).
I haven’t worked there, but after working civil lit/ID for over a decade and chatting up colleagues, there’s a *lot* of people who have started or worked at ATMS at some point in their career.
I’d guess that if you picked a random courtroom full of lawyers at the RJC, there’d be at least one lawyer who has worked there
Beckley, Singleton used to have that distinction also.
That’d be me pal!
That you can name distinguished members of the legal community who are ATMS alum isn’t necessarily a positive for the late, not so great, ATMS. It’s purely an issue of volume. Hundreds of attorneys started their careers by cycling through ATMS’ churn and burn associate turnover. I didn’t work there, but it seemed like new associates lasted about a year, some more, some less.
There is at least one firm in town that I’m aware of that’s replicated this business model on a large scale. Not surprisingly, its equity partners were once churn and burn ATMS associates.
Interesting take. Who is this “churn and burn” firm with former ATMS associates?
As a former ATMS alum I’m curious too. I can’t think of any firms out there that would fit this bill. I know Dave Mortensen’s team went to Messner and are now at Hutchinson–but they’ve remained relatively intact for several years now. Harper Selim?
Currently I would say Resnick & Louis is churn and burn.
But they’re not led by ATMS alums are they?
See Case A-24-894998 – interesting class action against Airbnb.
Can’t pull the complaint. What are the claims?
Pretty much that they allowed people to rent out properties who leased them from others and the lease restricted subletting but AirBNB didn’t check nor enforce it. Class is owners of properties who rented to tenants and tenants sublet through AirBNB
Sounds very much like not-AirBnB’s problem. The claim is that the tenants breached the contract?
Not if Airbnb profits from it and doesn’t bother to check for ownership. Can’t just turn a blind eye.
Of if Air BnB is operating without its own license and refusing to pay lodging tax for marketing illegal/unauthorized short-term rentals.
Jay Bloom engaged in puffery? Say it isn’t so Joe!
If a government employee is found to have done an intentional act like deleting text messages to hid what he did, that causes that government entity/subsidiary/whatever to incur a liability, why is there not some way for the government entity to require that person to be financially responsible for some of what he/she did instead of the taxpayers? Jones is an attorney – he knew what he was doing was wrong but he did it anyway, and now the taxpayers are on the hook for liability from his actions.
Just to be clear, elected officials are not government employees. You can fire employees.
Every single elected official has deleted text messages. They’re transient communications. Certainly they can be used to conduct govt business, but what is the purported significance? If they weren’t texts to the other commissioners then the texts wouldn’t have swayed the unanimous vote – right? What is the adverse inference here on spoilation grounds?
The old “two wrongs make a right” defense, clever.
The adverse inference comes from the fact that the developer lost the vote. That doesn’t happen in this town, ergo, something must have been amiss in the missing text messages.
Running out of Land?
Not really a problem, BLM will just sell more land to the county. The bigger issue is water.
We have lots and lots of land. Just time to crack open the “rural” areas full of ratty old houses on half acre lots that like to pretend they’re living in Mayberry instead of a half mile from Costco.
Now now we only run people over like that if we are holding plans for a big Temple.
The whole temple thing his bringing to light the absurdity of the vast swaths of low density housing in the northwest. It’d indefensible in a city this size and it’s time for it to go.
Put down the Manifesto, Vladimir. People have property rights in this country.
Coming soon, 7:00pms newest smart city.
Fun fact: that land was once owned by West Baptist church. They were the ones that petitioned for annexation back in 1997. At the time, neighbors were concerned that a big church might be built there.
Meanwhile, at the same city council meeting in June 1997, the council approved the LDS church at Alexander and El Capitan. On a larger than 5 acre lot, zoned Civic, and next to residential.
But sure, the people are getting run over here.
These people in low density housing that are playing victim are hilarious. “You’ll ruin our dark skies.” LOL. Have you ever tried to use a telescope to see the stars at night. You have to drive FAR away from Las Vegas. You can’t see the night sky any better in Lone Mountain than you can in Summerlin.
These people are pampered, entitled rich snobs who are used to bullying their NIMBY way to what they want. They like being the 800 pound gorilla. Now they’re upset because an 8,000 pound gorilla showed up.
Listening to rich, NIMBY people complain about nearby development is how we ended up with the Badlands loss and massive liability.
There needs to be a push to eliminate the restrictive, low density housing near Lone Mountain.
New Dangerous Gang
Tren de Aragua, a transnational criminal gang tis now operating in the United States in multiple states. The Administration is puzzled how this happened, since every person entering into the US is vetted.
Honestly it sounds like a miserable existence going around being terrified of things that have absolutely no effect on your life. I promise you you’re 100,000x more likely to die in a car accident in LV than at the hands of a “transnational criminal gang.”
They probably wouldn’t be as terrified if it was just a cis-national criminal gang
Uh… no, not terrified. Satirical, yes, on the 10M people who have entered illegally about whom nothing is known.
Hunter Biden guilty on 3 Counts.
Yeah… definitely NOT voting for that guy in November!
If Dad wins, he will be pardoned sometime after the election.
No. But if Ivanka were convicted, you can be Don would pardon her. He wouldn’t even wait.
Hunter Biden isn’t on the ballot
https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/steve-sebelius/dont-rush-to-judgment-in-sands-email-case/
Justin Jones was similarly sanctioned in the past for discovery violations. This is definitely repetitive in nature.