Sisolak has the ring and he is never going to let it go. Ah, the power. Feel the power. And just wait until he gets his aid money. He will dole it out based on his friends and enemies lists, the interests of ordinary Nevadans be damned.
Meanwhile, DETR will never pay my wife. We'll just chalk it up to living in a shithole state. If I had known Nevada was going to go downhill so far and so fast, we would have settled and raised kids elsewhere. What kind of man shuts down churches? Not a good man.
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Anonymous
December 16, 2020 8:38 pm
Box truck driver
Hang him high in front of the court house. Public hangings deterred criminal activity because it made a strong impression on those who might be disposed to commit similar crimes.
A positive drug test is evidence enough for me. He's guilty of taking the lives of 5 exceptional humans – and the pain has trickled down into our community. Don't try and defend anyone who takes the lives of others while driving intoxicated. Hang him high
Yes, innocent until proven guilty. Sick of sensationalized journalism and political soundbites to evoke emotions until the investigation process is thoroughly completed. The evidence at the scene did not conclusively show him as "high." Later a "trace" was found. No one goes 75 mph on the highway. There should have been a car behind them to warn approaching vehicles of bicycles present on the highway. Isn't it safer to cycle in the emergency lane? Plus, it was very windy. High or not high, they assumed some risk and posed some risk to all motorists under the conditions.
@109pm You are an insensitive prick. Those cyclist had every right to be there and they were in the emergency lane. WITH a chase vehicle. Trace or not, the truck driver was at fault 100 percent.
1:09 – as the person above said – you are an insensitive prick and I'll add – entirely wrong about your facts. As 1:14 stated – there was a safety and gear car with the group. Those riders killed were experts and at the top of their game in their field. They were also in the emergency lane. The van hit the cyclists as well as the SAG car – totaling the SAG car. These are 5 locals who were killed – meaning – many of us knew them, or may know them or their families so to come onto this blog and attempt to spout information about the details which you clearly have incorrect – is ridiculous. Talk about the law and due process if you will. This driver will have his day in court. But to suggest fault or blame on these Class A humans – doing what they loved as safely as they can (a ride completed each year for over 15 years by the way) – is incorrect, insensitive and down right gross.
Huh.. I think 1:09 was somewhat tongue in cheek.
But, yea, hang him. Jail is not a determent. Cot, TV, not required to do physical labor. The worst thing about jail today is boredom. Released upon overcrowding or having serving 60% of your sentence.
It's absolutely egregious that they released results of a drug test, which are plagued by problems and false positives, on someone who was not intoxicated enough for any of the officers at the scene to notice. If he was reckless than he should be punished, but going for blood because he got high a day or two earlier is absurd, and it isn't going to bring anyone back. Everyone would be better off if he remained free and able to pay restitution/civil judgments to the living victims and the families of the deceased.
FWIW, the article stated the blood test results showed the driver was nine times over the legal limit for meth. He probably fell asleep at the wheel in the middle of the day because he was coming down hard from all that meth in his system…there's a commercial policy in play here as well so the driver's ability to pay is not paramount…
I don't know if this has been posted, but the state bar has filed a complaint against attorney Thomas Michaelides for forging a court order. https://reason.com/volokh/
God d**n it Tom. A good guy who just cannot keep his act straight since Ted Manos left town. Honestly I am starting to think Ted to be a saint because Tom had none of these problems back then.
Tom has had many problems over the years (such as the time that another lawyer had to step in at a criminal calendar call to announce that he checked himself into treatment). Story sounds like he threw the paralegal under the bus that the paralegal unilaterally forged a Judgment (which is not merely a RPC violation but has criminal elements to it also). Facts and testimony will come out but cannot believe he would not know that there was never a real judgment entered.
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Anonymous
December 16, 2020 10:28 pm
Almost all states ban bicycling on the highway because it is too dangerous. Nevada and Utah are exceptions. The safety risk is overwhelming due to the high speed of vehicles, presence of semitrailers and other heavy cargos on trucks, wind, weather, and the fact that highways are not designed for cyclist or pedestrian use. The preventative message here for others is don’t cycle where it is too risky to yourselves and to other motorists. In bike races there is a lead car and a follow car which contains the cyclists and warns other motorists of the hazard. Usually the escort vehicles have rotating flashing beacons too. How did these cyclists warn oncoming traffic that they were there, traveling slowly at least 50 mph under the posted speed limit? It was reported that they chose to travel behind their vehicle, to protect themselves from wind. They should have cycled in front of their escort vehicle so anyone approaching at a high speed could see the hazard and have reasonable time to react.
You too are an insensitive prick. This was a tragedy. State lawmakers attended the memorial and spoke to the beauty that is Nevada and that markets to athletes who love outdoor sports and the need for more safety. Perhaps this is why it's not illegal to cycle where they were killed? These cyclists were not novices, they were skilled in their sport and they were doing what they loved when they were killed tragically- I would add, they were being healthy and not pounding drinks or gambling- in a city that boasts outdoor beauty and sports. People live in Nevada and Utah to take advantage of nature – we don't all live here to gamble. Go piss on someone else's grave.
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Josey Wales
December 16, 2020 10:31 pm
Its building. Dec 18- 24 will be momentous days in the history of the USA
Trump, who won an overwhelming victory, will give Biden an oppurtunity to concede before he arrests him for treason.
Since the crazy talk seems to be increasing on this blog, I thought that I should mention some federal and state laws that some posters should review and consider.
Title 18 USC §2381. Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Title 18 USC §2383. Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Title 18 USC §2384. Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
NRS 196.010 Treason
NRS 203.030 Provoking commission of breach of peace.
NRS 203.040 Publishing matter inciting breach of peace or other crime.
NRS 202.448 Making threats or conveying false information concerning acts of terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, lethal agents or toxins prohibited; penalty.
3:25 has a point. 2020 has proven that idiots will believe just about anything they read on the internet. While 2:31 may be posting in jest, the same people who believe Q'Anon or that Trump actually won the election might take the post as truth or a call to action. I've seen a number of posts on social media quoting the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence inferring that the current government should be removed by force by people who clearly don't understand that our country has enacted a Constitution and system of laws since 1776. Our public education system has failed.
4:00 – well said and confirms my suspicion that more and more people are losing their damn minds. And by more people – I mean you. It is clear you appreciate the government, big tech and the mainstream media telling you what you can, and cannot do because you cannot decipherer for yourself. It is also clear you feel you have a higher intellect than your fellow citizen and support censorship. That is the real failure of our public eductation – we no longer teach individuals how to think, we teach them what to think. Fortunately there are many of us who still apprecaite free speech and all the freedoms within our constitution. Also – "people who believe Q'Anon" are not all descriptive of people who believe "that Trump actually won." Many – at least 60,000,000 Americans – likely more – believe this election was a massive national embarrassment of errors. It was. You do not need to be a conspiracy theorist to recognize that dead people shouldn't vote and that ballots should not be secretly counted. Republicans and Democrats used to universally understand the risk of mail-in ballots. Now that Biden is the presumptive winner – the Democrats want to pretend all is right with the USA election. It's sad and sick.
Hey 4:50, I'd hate to break the news to you, but the type of people who believe in Q'Anon is very descriptive of the type of people who believe that Trump actually won the election. President Trump is raking in millions in donations because of idiots like yourself. Trump lost, get over it. Stick with Reddit, nobody will think you're stupid when you post there.
4:00–apologize for being picky, but it is the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution, that was enacted in 1776.
The Constitution was drafted in 1787, ratified in 1788, and took effect in 1789. The Bill Of Rights(first ten Amendments)followed in 1791.
That(admittedly picky, micromanaging) correction being understood, that in no way is relevant in detracting from your excellent post.
But the same people who automatically believe and endlessly and aggressively repeat whatever extreme right-wing, or extreme left-wing, pap they are fed by their selected media outlet, are the first ones to answer a resounding "No" to survey questions such as "Are your beliefs influenced by what you see and read in the media?"
And after they answer a categorical "No", when they are asked how they then formulate their opinions, they answer something like "my own independent research." And the follow up will be something like "What does that research consist of" and they will answer "television and internet news coverage" or something like that.
Well, did it ever occur to them that they have just admitted that their beliefs are totally formed by the media, right after telling us the media has no effect on their beliefs? Apparently not.
Many people seem programmed, when asked if their beliefs are influenced by the media, to assume that to admit so would make them seem moronic and unduly pliable, naive and impressionable. They take great offense and the very notion, and usually add to their answer something like "I make up my own mind. No one tells me what to think"–which is quite defensive and ignorant. The most ignorant people, whose beliefs are totally dictated by some shrill and offensive media figure, are the ones who are the most offended when asked if the media influences their beliefs, and they are also the ones who readily profess how much they hate and distrust the media.
5:48 and 4:00, there are yet other manifestations of this idiocy.
There was a survey testing how much people understood basic American legal concepts. People were asked if they heard the phrase "Innocent till proven Guilty." Everyone(or virtually had heard it, albeit probably from lame cop shows and law shows.
The next question was something like "To what extent do you understand it(Innocent Till Proven Guilty)" and 87% of respondents selected the "Extremely Well" category, which represented the highest degree of understanding of the choices presented(e.g. choices included "Understand it somewhat" all the way up to "understand it extremely well")
After the question abut how well people understand "Innocent till proven Guilty"(which apparently 87% of the thousands of those surveyed understood it "Extremely Well"), guess what the very next question was?
It was "Answer True or False. In a criminal trial in the United States, it is the responsibility of the accused to prove that they are not guilty of the offense they are charged with."
64% agreed with this statement. So, all one need do is to take the "Innocent Till Proven Guilty" concept and invert it slightly, and change the phraseology a bit, and it exposes that people understand next to nothing about the system.
But we already knew that when we see surveys that conclude that 96% of respondents answer that no form or plea bargaining, or any negotiated settlements, should ever occur in criminal cases."
@3:25 speaking of treason, insurrection. Probably correctly cited. Consider however that in 1775 (the start of the Revolutionary War) the British Crown had similar laws, treason was a hanging offense. The Declaration of Independence asserted, when speaking to he rights of people "[t]hat whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government".
Americans, and lawyers in particular, should not be afraid to speak out about wrongs and injustices.
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Anonymous
December 16, 2020 11:15 pm
I don't want to wade into the ongoing blog debate concerning the performance of Gov.Sisolak but…wait, I need to correct myself. It is not a "debate" as only one side is weighing in. He has been universally condemned, attacked and ridiculed on this blog, but no one has posted anything in his defense, as far as I can tell.
When Trump is attacked on this blog, or the election results are discussed on this blog, it generates numerous and very impassioned posts offered from both sides.
But no one has apparently come to Sisolak's defense despite the fact that a lot of democrats read, and weigh in on, this blog.
Does this mean that he has lost enormous support from his own party and those who voted for him? Or does it merely mean that the people who voted for him may still vote for him, but they will be tepid at best in their enthusiasm to do so, and were tepid when they first did so?
Could it be that he was primarily elected simply because he was the democratic nominee and it was a huge democrat turn out in Nevada in 2018?
Sometimes that is the dynamic in operation. A candidate has no particular appeal, and does not generate much enthusiasm, but they are the nominee of their party and such party votes in far greater numbers than the other party in a given election. After all, a lot of voters vote straight party line.
Nevada Governor is normally a pretty easy gig. The Legislature meets for 4 months every two years. Outside the these 8 months, most Nevada Governors have been able to kiss babies, attend ribbon cuttings and promote Nevada for the remaining 40 months of their 4 year term. Governor Sisolak has had to take on more than any other Nevada governor that I know of, which is having a negative impact on his popularity. He's likely more popular than Governor Gibbons was, and he didn't have to deal with a pandemic.
While that I believe that he’s made some missteps, our tourism based economy was going to take it on the chin no matter what Governor Sisolak did. I wish that he’d do more to open public schools. I would have left churches alone. Having worked with both of them at some level, I feel confident in saying that I’m, by orders of magnitude, more comfortable with Governor Sisolak in charge than Adam Laxalt.
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Anonymous
December 16, 2020 11:27 pm
Seems safe to assume Sisolak is universally disliked. Unfortunately I don't see any upcoming GOP candidates or any dem who will challenge him so we may be hosed for 6 more years. Damn I miss Sandoval
Sisolak's failures make him an easy target. But, depsite his failures, Sisolak can still beat the clowns the current GOP might put up. If Adam Laxalt runs again, Sisolak wins by 5-6%.
Some decent GOP will run against Sisolak. Lombardo may run and a couple other decent candidates. As for Dems, nothing I have heard of can challenge Sisolak.
Mark Hutchison does not want any part of this mess. And unfortunately the GOP bench is incredibly thin unless you draw someone out of industry. Cegavske is your lone GOP state officeholder. Amodei is not coming back to Nevada to run and could not garner enough support in the south to pose any real challenge. Furthermore (as you see below) those individuals are viewed as RINOs that would not get party support. You are left with Michelle Fiore and Adam Laxalt as your party standard bearers which will get you killed in 2 years.
As a moderate R, I fear 9:29 is right. 4 more years of Sisolak.
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Anonymous
December 16, 2020 11:46 pm
For those of you, like me, who are geeky enough not to be bored beyond tears concerning a discussion of Nevada political history, here are our last several governors. What opinions do any of you have about their performance?
Sisolak(2019- ); Sandoval(2011-2018); Jim Gibbons(2007-2010); Kenny Guinn(1999-2006); Bob Miller(1989-1998); Richard Bryan(1983-1989); Bob List(1979-1982); Mike O'Callaghan(1971-1978); Paul Laxalt(1967-1970); Grant Sawyer(1959-1966).
Actually, that's more than "several" and most of us will have no memories of those ones more remote in time.
Richard Bryan was the very popular governor when I moved here, and presided over the state during a time of enormous(and mostly positive) growth,so I tend to have a fairly decent opinion of him and his tenure. He was a moderate democrat who worked well on both sides of the aisle.
The one who I was the least enthused by is the one whose tenure was dominated by his personal drama.
I'm too young to remember List or anyone before him, but the run from Bryan to Miller to Guinn was a good run. All three were fully-functioning adults.
Interesting that everyone talks about how only recently the state is getting californicated and going to hell in a handbasket. But it was three moderate democrat governors elected from 82 to 06. That's a long run of democrats.
Does the NV GOP's tendency to put up unelectable hardliners go back farther than I realize?
Guinn and Sandoval were RINOs of the highest order. Miller was a Democrat of the highest order but, I think, he cared for the state. Not sure any of the others did. Sisolak definitely does not care about Nevada.
I lived and worked there from 1992-1998, so all Robert Miller's time. I do not have any particularized memories of him or his actions. As an attorney, I worked for the Supreme Court for part of that time, and private practice for the remainder. I do recall (and was peripherally involved) in the Supreme Court drama involving Judge Whitehead.
I mostly recall the incompetency of AG Frankie Sue Del Papa at the time, and some crappy work from many of the DAs, AGs and PDs. I particularly recall a case (you can find it if you try) where the PD filed an Anders/Sanchez brief (when an attorney does not believe there is merit to the appeal, but the criminal defendant has a right to appeal and a right to counsel, so the attorney has an ethical duty to his client to try, but also an ethical duty of honesty to the court to admit that em thinks em's arguments are unfounded,)
The appellant, in pro per, filed a brief citing a case (never mentioned by the PD) that demonstrated that under NV law (at the time) that he had been wrongfully convicted of two crimes, when one necessarily included the lesser crime, when that double dip is not allowed.
Winner to the jailhouse lawyer, right? Got one of the convictions knocked out, sentence reduced! So sorry,though. You are correct under the case you cite (which the PD missed), but that case was wrongly decided and it is overturned. Published opinion.
4:54, Guinn was a Republican, although he was a Democrat earlier in his life. But your point is well taken. Three reasonable and well-liked Governors each for strong 8 year runs. Those was the days.
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Anonymous
December 17, 2020 12:22 am
Mike O'Callaghan was beloved. I sat next to him on a plane decades after he retired and he recalled giving my brother a sports award when my brother was in high school. Amazing man
I was lucky enough as a young man to work for Mike O'Callaghan, long after his time as Governor. He was indeed a great man and a wonderful mentor. Intimidating as Hell, but a terrific human being.
"Boomer" could boom. Sometimes even in the wee hours. But he was the proverbial Irishman, tough exterior and heart of gold. The stories about him are legion and legendary. Nevada, indeed this nation, desperately needs a Mike O'Callaghan right now. But I don't think we will ever see anyone like him again. We were lucky to be alive at the same time he was on the planet.
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Anonymous
December 17, 2020 1:49 am
Make sure you get your Christmas pictures and your Christmas dinners with your non-immediate family, so you can be selfish assholes who spread the virus. I hope you get it, pos.
You know (as the Michaelides post above shows) we hold lawyers responsible for the acts of the paralegals but we do not hold judges liable for the acts of their JEAs and law clerks.
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Anonymous
December 17, 2020 3:51 am
If the GOP was so concerned with voting issues why did the Senate Majority leader not bring any bills to a vote?
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Anonymous
December 17, 2020 7:54 am
Can we please have Barbara Buckley please tell us how DETR is in great shape?
Babs Bandaid Buckley is a fine woman, who is busy enough boiling her daily head of cabbage instead of DETR.
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Anonymous
December 17, 2020 5:41 pm
The obsession with Sisolak is bizarre to me. Why aren't people acknowledging the complete failure of the federal govt to respond in any meaningful way? I see GOPers claiming victory for Operation Warpspeed with the Pfizer vaccine, but Pfizer didn't accept money from the US govt. The feds did nothing. trump has allowed hundreds of thousands of Americans to die, he has politicized basic public health matters that could have saved lives. The GOP controlled senate is so obsessed with doling out money to corporations and not working Americans, they refuse to pass a bill that isn't a welfare give away to their billionaire friends on K street. How is Sisolak supposed to handle this all on his own? We don't have individual fiefdoms in this country so idiots from South Dakota with its 60% infection rate can come into Nevada and there's nothing Sisolak can do about it. He's in an impossible situation. And if you think a republican would have done better, check out the death/infection rates in South Dakota and Florida. They're dropping like flies and they're so stupid they continue to deny basic science. Finally, this town runs on tourism. A pandemic was going to hit us hard no matter what. Sisolak could walk on water and we'd still take a hit under these conditions.
You're wrong. First – people from South Dakota don't come to Vegas. Trust me. Second – operation warpspeed is a complete success and if you could set aside your bias you'd see the facts. Trump removed the red tape so that Pfizer and others could get the job done. It's not about "accept money from the US gov." it was about allowing experts to do their damn job without the US gov getting in the way – which under Democratic leadership always happens. Democrats = government control and red tape.
Republicans = de-regulate the bullshit and let the people get their shit done.
Grow up. Give credit where credit is due. And Sisolak is a dip shit. He ruined this economy. It was his choice – not the feds. And it is NOT the White house in control of state assistance – it is congress so direct your vitriol to the House and Senate. Pelosi admitted – yes ADMITTED – she held up aid just becahse Trump was president and will now negotiate becuase there is a new president. You can pretend this isn't accurate or dance around it all day long – but the truth is – Congress is in control of the money, not the Prez. The Prez put together the best team of private and public sector individuals and cut the shit to let them get their job done. If Obama was still in office – or god forbid Hillary – we'd be another 2 years from a vaccine.
Sisolak is a loser. Again.
You could just say, Sisolak is a loser. Or, Sisolak remains a loser.
Sisolak has the ring and he is never going to let it go. Ah, the power. Feel the power. And just wait until he gets his aid money. He will dole it out based on his friends and enemies lists, the interests of ordinary Nevadans be damned.
Meanwhile, DETR will never pay my wife. We'll just chalk it up to living in a shithole state. If I had known Nevada was going to go downhill so far and so fast, we would have settled and raised kids elsewhere. What kind of man shuts down churches? Not a good man.
Box truck driver
Hang him high in front of the court house. Public hangings deterred criminal activity because it made a strong impression on those who might be disposed to commit similar crimes.
Innocent until proven guilty there sport…
A positive drug test is evidence enough for me. He's guilty of taking the lives of 5 exceptional humans – and the pain has trickled down into our community. Don't try and defend anyone who takes the lives of others while driving intoxicated. Hang him high
Yes, innocent until proven guilty. Sick of sensationalized journalism and political soundbites to evoke emotions until the investigation process is thoroughly completed. The evidence at the scene did not conclusively show him as "high." Later a "trace" was found. No one goes 75 mph on the highway. There should have been a car behind them to warn approaching vehicles of bicycles present on the highway. Isn't it safer to cycle in the emergency lane? Plus, it was very windy. High or not high, they assumed some risk and posed some risk to all motorists under the conditions.
Jessica Williams and due process says hello.
@109pm You are an insensitive prick. Those cyclist had every right to be there and they were in the emergency lane. WITH a chase vehicle. Trace or not, the truck driver was at fault 100 percent.
1:09 – as the person above said – you are an insensitive prick and I'll add – entirely wrong about your facts. As 1:14 stated – there was a safety and gear car with the group. Those riders killed were experts and at the top of their game in their field. They were also in the emergency lane. The van hit the cyclists as well as the SAG car – totaling the SAG car. These are 5 locals who were killed – meaning – many of us knew them, or may know them or their families so to come onto this blog and attempt to spout information about the details which you clearly have incorrect – is ridiculous. Talk about the law and due process if you will. This driver will have his day in court. But to suggest fault or blame on these Class A humans – doing what they loved as safely as they can (a ride completed each year for over 15 years by the way) – is incorrect, insensitive and down right gross.
Huh.. I think 1:09 was somewhat tongue in cheek.
But, yea, hang him. Jail is not a determent. Cot, TV, not required to do physical labor. The worst thing about jail today is boredom. Released upon overcrowding or having serving 60% of your sentence.
He hit 15 innocent human beings. Killed over half. Your Nevada Supreme Court will allow him to get a slap on the wrist, because it is a dui.
Did Wolfson undercharge? Sounds more like involuntary manslaughter. Don't think it can be boosted to murder.
involuntary manslaughter is a potential 1-4 sentence and probation-able I think. DUI death is 2-20 years and mandatory prison.
It's absolutely egregious that they released results of a drug test, which are plagued by problems and false positives, on someone who was not intoxicated enough for any of the officers at the scene to notice. If he was reckless than he should be punished, but going for blood because he got high a day or two earlier is absurd, and it isn't going to bring anyone back. Everyone would be better off if he remained free and able to pay restitution/civil judgments to the living victims and the families of the deceased.
Bowling for Cyclists Gold Medalist! Congratulations.
FWIW, the article stated the blood test results showed the driver was nine times over the legal limit for meth. He probably fell asleep at the wheel in the middle of the day because he was coming down hard from all that meth in his system…there's a commercial policy in play here as well so the driver's ability to pay is not paramount…
What's the legal limit for meth?
Sisolak lied.
I don't know if this has been posted, but the state bar has filed a complaint against attorney Thomas Michaelides for forging a court order. https://reason.com/volokh/
God d**n it Tom. A good guy who just cannot keep his act straight since Ted Manos left town. Honestly I am starting to think Ted to be a saint because Tom had none of these problems back then.
Formal complaint – https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/StateBarvMichaelidesComplaint.pdf
So what's the story here, a has been/never was lawyer with a long record of discipline is at it again?
Tom has had many problems over the years (such as the time that another lawyer had to step in at a criminal calendar call to announce that he checked himself into treatment). Story sounds like he threw the paralegal under the bus that the paralegal unilaterally forged a Judgment (which is not merely a RPC violation but has criminal elements to it also). Facts and testimony will come out but cannot believe he would not know that there was never a real judgment entered.
Almost all states ban bicycling on the highway because it is too dangerous. Nevada and Utah are exceptions. The safety risk is overwhelming due to the high speed of vehicles, presence of semitrailers and other heavy cargos on trucks, wind, weather, and the fact that highways are not designed for cyclist or pedestrian use. The preventative message here for others is don’t cycle where it is too risky to yourselves and to other motorists. In bike races there is a lead car and a follow car which contains the cyclists and warns other motorists of the hazard. Usually the escort vehicles have rotating flashing beacons too. How did these cyclists warn oncoming traffic that they were there, traveling slowly at least 50 mph under the posted speed limit? It was reported that they chose to travel behind their vehicle, to protect themselves from wind. They should have cycled in front of their escort vehicle so anyone approaching at a high speed could see the hazard and have reasonable time to react.
You too are an insensitive prick. This was a tragedy. State lawmakers attended the memorial and spoke to the beauty that is Nevada and that markets to athletes who love outdoor sports and the need for more safety. Perhaps this is why it's not illegal to cycle where they were killed? These cyclists were not novices, they were skilled in their sport and they were doing what they loved when they were killed tragically- I would add, they were being healthy and not pounding drinks or gambling- in a city that boasts outdoor beauty and sports. People live in Nevada and Utah to take advantage of nature – we don't all live here to gamble. Go piss on someone else's grave.
Its building. Dec 18- 24 will be momentous days in the history of the USA
Trump, who won an overwhelming victory, will give Biden an oppurtunity to concede before he arrests him for treason.
https://www.brighteon.com/37369b5c-23b4-47eb-82fd-879ecfc00abc
You best get squared away with your God folks.
I miss the days when this sort of rant was a Rickroll. Jihad, is it?
WTF is this craziness? Someone needs a hug, and a drink or toke.
No, they need a tuke.
This is crazy awesome. CIA "execution squads".
Since the crazy talk seems to be increasing on this blog, I thought that I should mention some federal and state laws that some posters should review and consider.
Title 18 USC §2381. Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Title 18 USC §2383. Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Title 18 USC §2384. Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
NRS 196.010 Treason
NRS 203.030 Provoking commission of breach of peace.
NRS 203.040 Publishing matter inciting breach of peace or other crime.
NRS 202.448 Making threats or conveying false information concerning acts of terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, lethal agents or toxins prohibited; penalty.
3:25 – relax.
The only treason being committed is by the mainstream media and big tech.
3:25 has a point. 2020 has proven that idiots will believe just about anything they read on the internet. While 2:31 may be posting in jest, the same people who believe Q'Anon or that Trump actually won the election might take the post as truth or a call to action. I've seen a number of posts on social media quoting the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence inferring that the current government should be removed by force by people who clearly don't understand that our country has enacted a Constitution and system of laws since 1776. Our public education system has failed.
4:00 – well said and confirms my suspicion that more and more people are losing their damn minds. And by more people – I mean you. It is clear you appreciate the government, big tech and the mainstream media telling you what you can, and cannot do because you cannot decipherer for yourself. It is also clear you feel you have a higher intellect than your fellow citizen and support censorship. That is the real failure of our public eductation – we no longer teach individuals how to think, we teach them what to think. Fortunately there are many of us who still apprecaite free speech and all the freedoms within our constitution. Also – "people who believe Q'Anon" are not all descriptive of people who believe "that Trump actually won." Many – at least 60,000,000 Americans – likely more – believe this election was a massive national embarrassment of errors. It was. You do not need to be a conspiracy theorist to recognize that dead people shouldn't vote and that ballots should not be secretly counted. Republicans and Democrats used to universally understand the risk of mail-in ballots. Now that Biden is the presumptive winner – the Democrats want to pretend all is right with the USA election. It's sad and sick.
Hey 4:50, I'd hate to break the news to you, but the type of people who believe in Q'Anon is very descriptive of the type of people who believe that Trump actually won the election. President Trump is raking in millions in donations because of idiots like yourself. Trump lost, get over it. Stick with Reddit, nobody will think you're stupid when you post there.
4:00–apologize for being picky, but it is the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution, that was enacted in 1776.
The Constitution was drafted in 1787, ratified in 1788, and took effect in 1789. The Bill Of Rights(first ten Amendments)followed in 1791.
That(admittedly picky, micromanaging) correction being understood, that in no way is relevant in detracting from your excellent post.
But the same people who automatically believe and endlessly and aggressively repeat whatever extreme right-wing, or extreme left-wing, pap they are fed by their selected media outlet, are the first ones to answer a resounding "No" to survey questions such as "Are your beliefs influenced by what you see and read in the media?"
And after they answer a categorical "No", when they are asked how they then formulate their opinions, they answer something like "my own independent research." And the follow up will be something like "What does that research consist of" and they will answer "television and internet news coverage" or something like that.
Well, did it ever occur to them that they have just admitted that their beliefs are totally formed by the media, right after telling us the media has no effect on their beliefs? Apparently not.
Many people seem programmed, when asked if their beliefs are influenced by the media, to assume that to admit so would make them seem moronic and unduly pliable, naive and impressionable. They take great offense and the very notion, and usually add to their answer something like "I make up my own mind. No one tells me what to think"–which is quite defensive and ignorant. The most ignorant people, whose beliefs are totally dictated by some shrill and offensive media figure, are the ones who are the most offended when asked if the media influences their beliefs, and they are also the ones who readily profess how much they hate and distrust the media.
5:48 and 4:00, there are yet other manifestations of this idiocy.
There was a survey testing how much people understood basic American legal concepts. People were asked if they heard the phrase "Innocent till proven Guilty." Everyone(or virtually had heard it, albeit probably from lame cop shows and law shows.
The next question was something like "To what extent do you understand it(Innocent Till Proven Guilty)" and 87% of respondents selected the "Extremely Well" category, which represented the highest degree of understanding of the choices presented(e.g. choices included "Understand it somewhat" all the way up to "understand it extremely well")
After the question abut how well people understand "Innocent till proven Guilty"(which apparently 87% of the thousands of those surveyed understood it "Extremely Well"), guess what the very next question was?
It was "Answer True or False. In a criminal trial in the United States, it is the responsibility of the accused to prove that they are not guilty of the offense they are charged with."
64% agreed with this statement. So, all one need do is to take the "Innocent Till Proven Guilty" concept and invert it slightly, and change the phraseology a bit, and it exposes that people understand next to nothing about the system.
But we already knew that when we see surveys that conclude that 96% of respondents answer that no form or plea bargaining, or any negotiated settlements, should ever occur in criminal cases."
6:00. I would like to see that survey.
I don't doubt that a lot of people are quite ignorant about the Criminal Justice System, but I don't think they are THAT ignorant.
They can't be as ignorant as that survey suggests, can they?
6:02, have you met the general public?
@3:25 speaking of treason, insurrection. Probably correctly cited. Consider however that in 1775 (the start of the Revolutionary War) the British Crown had similar laws, treason was a hanging offense. The Declaration of Independence asserted, when speaking to he rights of people "[t]hat whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government".
Americans, and lawyers in particular, should not be afraid to speak out about wrongs and injustices.
I don't want to wade into the ongoing blog debate concerning the performance of Gov.Sisolak but…wait, I need to correct myself. It is not a "debate" as only one side is weighing in. He has been universally condemned, attacked and ridiculed on this blog, but no one has posted anything in his defense, as far as I can tell.
When Trump is attacked on this blog, or the election results are discussed on this blog, it generates numerous and very impassioned posts offered from both sides.
But no one has apparently come to Sisolak's defense despite the fact that a lot of democrats read, and weigh in on, this blog.
Does this mean that he has lost enormous support from his own party and those who voted for him? Or does it merely mean that the people who voted for him may still vote for him, but they will be tepid at best in their enthusiasm to do so, and were tepid when they first did so?
Could it be that he was primarily elected simply because he was the democratic nominee and it was a huge democrat turn out in Nevada in 2018?
Sometimes that is the dynamic in operation. A candidate has no particular appeal, and does not generate much enthusiasm, but they are the nominee of their party and such party votes in far greater numbers than the other party in a given election. After all, a lot of voters vote straight party line.
Nevada Governor is normally a pretty easy gig. The Legislature meets for 4 months every two years. Outside the these 8 months, most Nevada Governors have been able to kiss babies, attend ribbon cuttings and promote Nevada for the remaining 40 months of their 4 year term. Governor Sisolak has had to take on more than any other Nevada governor that I know of, which is having a negative impact on his popularity. He's likely more popular than Governor Gibbons was, and he didn't have to deal with a pandemic.
While that I believe that he’s made some missteps, our tourism based economy was going to take it on the chin no matter what Governor Sisolak did. I wish that he’d do more to open public schools. I would have left churches alone. Having worked with both of them at some level, I feel confident in saying that I’m, by orders of magnitude, more comfortable with Governor Sisolak in charge than Adam Laxalt.
Seems safe to assume Sisolak is universally disliked. Unfortunately I don't see any upcoming GOP candidates or any dem who will challenge him so we may be hosed for 6 more years. Damn I miss Sandoval
Sisolak's failures make him an easy target. But, depsite his failures, Sisolak can still beat the clowns the current GOP might put up. If Adam Laxalt runs again, Sisolak wins by 5-6%.
Some decent GOP will run against Sisolak. Lombardo may run and a couple other decent candidates. As for Dems, nothing I have heard of can challenge Sisolak.
Hutchison?
Mark Hutchison does not want any part of this mess. And unfortunately the GOP bench is incredibly thin unless you draw someone out of industry. Cegavske is your lone GOP state officeholder. Amodei is not coming back to Nevada to run and could not garner enough support in the south to pose any real challenge. Furthermore (as you see below) those individuals are viewed as RINOs that would not get party support. You are left with Michelle Fiore and Adam Laxalt as your party standard bearers which will get you killed in 2 years.
As a moderate R, I fear 9:29 is right. 4 more years of Sisolak.
For those of you, like me, who are geeky enough not to be bored beyond tears concerning a discussion of Nevada political history, here are our last several governors. What opinions do any of you have about their performance?
Sisolak(2019- ); Sandoval(2011-2018); Jim Gibbons(2007-2010); Kenny Guinn(1999-2006); Bob Miller(1989-1998); Richard Bryan(1983-1989); Bob List(1979-1982); Mike O'Callaghan(1971-1978); Paul Laxalt(1967-1970); Grant Sawyer(1959-1966).
Actually, that's more than "several" and most of us will have no memories of those ones more remote in time.
Richard Bryan was the very popular governor when I moved here, and presided over the state during a time of enormous(and mostly positive) growth,so I tend to have a fairly decent opinion of him and his tenure. He was a moderate democrat who worked well on both sides of the aisle.
The one who I was the least enthused by is the one whose tenure was dominated by his personal drama.
I'm too young to remember List or anyone before him, but the run from Bryan to Miller to Guinn was a good run. All three were fully-functioning adults.
Interesting that everyone talks about how only recently the state is getting californicated and going to hell in a handbasket. But it was three moderate democrat governors elected from 82 to 06. That's a long run of democrats.
Does the NV GOP's tendency to put up unelectable hardliners go back farther than I realize?
Grant Sawyer was a real one.
Guinn and Sandoval were RINOs of the highest order. Miller was a Democrat of the highest order but, I think, he cared for the state. Not sure any of the others did. Sisolak definitely does not care about Nevada.
But how about that Jim Gibbons… what a winner he was
I knew the girl he chased through the Howard Hughes garage. She was a very talented woman in her day. It is sad that he had such low impulse control.
If you see RINOs everywhere you look, especially with Sandoval and Guinn, maybe consider that you are the RINO.
Fucking loony toons.
I lived and worked there from 1992-1998, so all Robert Miller's time. I do not have any particularized memories of him or his actions. As an attorney, I worked for the Supreme Court for part of that time, and private practice for the remainder. I do recall (and was peripherally involved) in the Supreme Court drama involving Judge Whitehead.
I mostly recall the incompetency of AG Frankie Sue Del Papa at the time, and some crappy work from many of the DAs, AGs and PDs. I particularly recall a case (you can find it if you try) where the PD filed an Anders/Sanchez brief (when an attorney does not believe there is merit to the appeal, but the criminal defendant has a right to appeal and a right to counsel, so the attorney has an ethical duty to his client to try, but also an ethical duty of honesty to the court to admit that em thinks em's arguments are unfounded,)
The appellant, in pro per, filed a brief citing a case (never mentioned by the PD) that demonstrated that under NV law (at the time) that he had been wrongfully convicted of two crimes, when one necessarily included the lesser crime, when that double dip is not allowed.
Winner to the jailhouse lawyer, right? Got one of the convictions knocked out, sentence reduced! So sorry,though. You are correct under the case you cite (which the PD missed), but that case was wrongly decided and it is overturned. Published opinion.
4:54, Guinn was a Republican, although he was a Democrat earlier in his life. But your point is well taken. Three reasonable and well-liked Governors each for strong 8 year runs. Those was the days.
Mike O'Callaghan was beloved. I sat next to him on a plane decades after he retired and he recalled giving my brother a sports award when my brother was in high school. Amazing man
I was lucky enough as a young man to work for Mike O'Callaghan, long after his time as Governor. He was indeed a great man and a wonderful mentor. Intimidating as Hell, but a terrific human being.
"Boomer" could boom. Sometimes even in the wee hours. But he was the proverbial Irishman, tough exterior and heart of gold. The stories about him are legion and legendary. Nevada, indeed this nation, desperately needs a Mike O'Callaghan right now. But I don't think we will ever see anyone like him again. We were lucky to be alive at the same time he was on the planet.
Make sure you get your Christmas pictures and your Christmas dinners with your non-immediate family, so you can be selfish assholes who spread the virus. I hope you get it, pos.
Awww, is 5:49 scared of the Covid? Poor baby. Stay home. Don't leave. Let your chains rest lightly upon you.
The rest of us want to live. Have a yuge Christmas with lots of people! Be merry. Don't let Grinch Sisolak steal your Christmas!
705, okay boomer. Stay off the motorcycle. Stay out of the hospital. Take off the fukcovid mask
Are there any JEAs who ate nice? Wow, if I treated people the way some of the way these JEAs speak to people.
I've had lots of good experiences with JEAs. Most are fine. What really sets me off is when law clerks have an attitude.
Boyd grads.
But certainly not '13 grads.
More like 15 grads. They do not taste right, maybe not fully cooked.
You know (as the Michaelides post above shows) we hold lawyers responsible for the acts of the paralegals but we do not hold judges liable for the acts of their JEAs and law clerks.
If the GOP was so concerned with voting issues why did the Senate Majority leader not bring any bills to a vote?
Can we please have Barbara Buckley please tell us how DETR is in great shape?
She would say DETR has money but is a mess and that if the monies run out that the State would have to borrow from the federal government.
Babs Bandaid Buckley is a fine woman, who is busy enough boiling her daily head of cabbage instead of DETR.
The obsession with Sisolak is bizarre to me. Why aren't people acknowledging the complete failure of the federal govt to respond in any meaningful way? I see GOPers claiming victory for Operation Warpspeed with the Pfizer vaccine, but Pfizer didn't accept money from the US govt. The feds did nothing. trump has allowed hundreds of thousands of Americans to die, he has politicized basic public health matters that could have saved lives. The GOP controlled senate is so obsessed with doling out money to corporations and not working Americans, they refuse to pass a bill that isn't a welfare give away to their billionaire friends on K street. How is Sisolak supposed to handle this all on his own? We don't have individual fiefdoms in this country so idiots from South Dakota with its 60% infection rate can come into Nevada and there's nothing Sisolak can do about it. He's in an impossible situation. And if you think a republican would have done better, check out the death/infection rates in South Dakota and Florida. They're dropping like flies and they're so stupid they continue to deny basic science. Finally, this town runs on tourism. A pandemic was going to hit us hard no matter what. Sisolak could walk on water and we'd still take a hit under these conditions.
Thanks for the input, Steve. Great work with the election.
Go away, Voldemort. Seriously…go away. And stop stealing my comments for your dumb youtube show. Creep.
You're wrong. First – people from South Dakota don't come to Vegas. Trust me. Second – operation warpspeed is a complete success and if you could set aside your bias you'd see the facts. Trump removed the red tape so that Pfizer and others could get the job done. It's not about "accept money from the US gov." it was about allowing experts to do their damn job without the US gov getting in the way – which under Democratic leadership always happens. Democrats = government control and red tape.
Republicans = de-regulate the bullshit and let the people get their shit done.
Grow up. Give credit where credit is due. And Sisolak is a dip shit. He ruined this economy. It was his choice – not the feds. And it is NOT the White house in control of state assistance – it is congress so direct your vitriol to the House and Senate. Pelosi admitted – yes ADMITTED – she held up aid just becahse Trump was president and will now negotiate becuase there is a new president. You can pretend this isn't accurate or dance around it all day long – but the truth is – Congress is in control of the money, not the Prez. The Prez put together the best team of private and public sector individuals and cut the shit to let them get their job done. If Obama was still in office – or god forbid Hillary – we'd be another 2 years from a vaccine.
Grow up.
No one from South Dakota has ever come to Vegas? Seriously? That's your response. Thanks for that. Now go punch yourself in the face.
SCOTUS failed to stop the steal. Chickens.
If the Supreme Court with 3 justices appointed by Trump can't convince these whackos, nobody can.