I am no ACLU fan but c’mon. DMV lied to the court about records that were required to be produced. You do not have to be pro-ACLU to see the patent problems with this.
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March 25, 2026 11:48 am
Judge to Mueller: “Quite frankly, the Court finds it offensive that the defense is bringing a motion arguing that these victims were bribed for their testimony in the basis of receiving or being approved for funds from Victims of Crime which generally speaking goes toward psychiatric treatment, moving expenses, anything that they may have needed as a result of the crimes that were committed against them,” Peterson said. “That is not bribery. That is what they are entitled to get as a victim in this case.”
That’s a fairly common argument, that money paid to a crime victim was enough to constitute pay-for-testimony. A flat fee of $5000 does seem a little suspect. How did the judge determine there was an entitlement to that amount? Was there a moving expenses receipt for exactly $5k? Interested to see what sort of victim reimbursement that was for.
The $5k is not a flat fee, it’s the cap on what the State’s Victims of Crime Program will pay. Essentially, if a victim has out-of-pocket costs for therapy, etc., that gets billed to the Victims of Crime Program, up to a $5k cap.
I pay out of pocket for therapy. It is $150 per virtual session, which is very “affordable” for an exceptional therapist. I see my therapist weekly because otherwise I would not be able to carry on with normal life. Early on, I had to see that person twice a week, because that was how great my need was. Based on what I have gone through, I expect to stay in therapy for at least 5 years.
$150 x 4 weeks x 12 months x 5 years. You can do the math. Is $5,000 so much?
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March 25, 2026 12:02 pm
My pre-school age son broke his arm while playing on the monkey bars at the Adelson School. An employee called me and told me to pick him up. After he received a cast on his arm, I asked the then director for the name of the school’s insurance company because i wanted to make a claim. The woman said she did not know the name of the insurance company and said i would be reponsible for all medical bills. I hoped they had improved, but I guess not.
Overprotective, and it’s always someone else’s fault!
Get real. I never broke anything, but broken arms, scrapes and bruises were part of growing up when I was a kid, particularly in boys. Dislocated finger playing tether ball, big bruise from being hit with a softball.
Did you know the school had monkey bars? Did you explicitly tell the school not to let your kid use the monkey bars? Did you tell the school that your kid is too uncoordinated to play on school equipment?
Again, get some perspective.
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March 25, 2026 12:06 pm
Urg – 11 year old girl molesting a 6 year old – NOT reported? This is a massive problem. Without doubt the 11 year old was/is being abused. This is not normal behavior for little girls. I hope the 6 year old fully heals from the violation. I hope the 11 year old is fully rehabilitated and is equally healed from whatever hell she too has been through. These teachers are mandatory reporters – Adeleson should be ashamed. Sick.
The Adelson director made the following statement. My guess is that the case was not prosecuted because would be difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt: CPS conducted its own investigation and referred the matter to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department (Metro), which also investigated. Following completion of these three separate investigations — by the school, CPS, and Metro — no evidence was found to substantiate the allegations.
The camp is totally different from the school and who knows what training the counselors get. However, the school still collects money for the program.
I take this is a good reminder to talk to my kids again about what happens if someone tries to assault them, and what to do if it happens. This abuse thrives in darkness. And it can happen anywhere in the seemingly least probably places.
Don’t forget to teach your children that family members can be the source of SA. Sadly, I speak from experience.
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March 25, 2026 2:55 pm
Take a look at US v Heppner if you use AI to help you in litigation. The decision basically held that what you put into an AI service is not privileged. Even if you are using it to produce work product. So be careful, there is now some precedent on this issue. Get ready to start getting discovery requests asking what AI companies if any AI was used and subpoenas to those companies.
Yeah I keep seeing this misunderstanding, which is annoying because you’d think lawyers of all people would be attuned to this kind of distinction. The court held that when a *client* asks for legal advice from an AI chatbot, there is no more privilege than when a client asks for legal advice from his bartender. That makes sense to me – the chatbot isn’t a lawyer and there’s no lawyer-client relationship.
Now, if a *lawyer* uses a chatbot to do legal work, I would imagine it would be protected from discovery in the same way that your Westlaw searches are non-discoverable. But you are taking at least a modicum of risk until the 9th Circuit/NVSC confirms that rule.
Yeah I don’t see this being applied to lawyers. It’s impossible to draw a line in the sand. Why would it be considered waiving privilege to upload documents to an AI vault? How is that any different than using a case management software like Filevine, which also uses AI chat capabilities to create work product? Plus many of these LLM are closed systems. Some people even use LLM’s completely locally, so it isn’t being sent to a server necessarily. The logic just doesn’t hold water.
ACLU
looking for a reason, any reason, to continue in existence.
I am no ACLU fan but c’mon. DMV lied to the court about records that were required to be produced. You do not have to be pro-ACLU to see the patent problems with this.
Judge to Mueller: “Quite frankly, the Court finds it offensive that the defense is bringing a motion arguing that these victims were bribed for their testimony in the basis of receiving or being approved for funds from Victims of Crime which generally speaking goes toward psychiatric treatment, moving expenses, anything that they may have needed as a result of the crimes that were committed against them,” Peterson said. “That is not bribery. That is what they are entitled to get as a victim in this case.”
And it was only $5k, which hasn’t even been paid yet.
That’s a fairly common argument, that money paid to a crime victim was enough to constitute pay-for-testimony. A flat fee of $5000 does seem a little suspect. How did the judge determine there was an entitlement to that amount? Was there a moving expenses receipt for exactly $5k? Interested to see what sort of victim reimbursement that was for.
It’s not that common, and it’s an exceedingly crass argument when made.
Craiig Mueller made it.
Are you calling criminal appellate attorneys crass? Sir, I find your accusation itself indubitably crass.
Buncha crassholes in here.
The $5k is not a flat fee, it’s the cap on what the State’s Victims of Crime Program will pay. Essentially, if a victim has out-of-pocket costs for therapy, etc., that gets billed to the Victims of Crime Program, up to a $5k cap.
No cap?
I pay out of pocket for therapy. It is $150 per virtual session, which is very “affordable” for an exceptional therapist. I see my therapist weekly because otherwise I would not be able to carry on with normal life. Early on, I had to see that person twice a week, because that was how great my need was. Based on what I have gone through, I expect to stay in therapy for at least 5 years.
$150 x 4 weeks x 12 months x 5 years. You can do the math. Is $5,000 so much?
My pre-school age son broke his arm while playing on the monkey bars at the Adelson School. An employee called me and told me to pick him up. After he received a cast on his arm, I asked the then director for the name of the school’s insurance company because i wanted to make a claim. The woman said she did not know the name of the insurance company and said i would be reponsible for all medical bills. I hoped they had improved, but I guess not.
Overprotective, and it’s always someone else’s fault!
Get real. I never broke anything, but broken arms, scrapes and bruises were part of growing up when I was a kid, particularly in boys. Dislocated finger playing tether ball, big bruise from being hit with a softball.
Did you know the school had monkey bars? Did you explicitly tell the school not to let your kid use the monkey bars? Did you tell the school that your kid is too uncoordinated to play on school equipment?
Again, get some perspective.
Urg – 11 year old girl molesting a 6 year old – NOT reported? This is a massive problem. Without doubt the 11 year old was/is being abused. This is not normal behavior for little girls. I hope the 6 year old fully heals from the violation. I hope the 11 year old is fully rehabilitated and is equally healed from whatever hell she too has been through. These teachers are mandatory reporters – Adeleson should be ashamed. Sick.
“Without doubt the 11 year old was/is being abused.”…….the assumption being that the allegations MUST be true !!
said with sarcasm
The Adelson director made the following statement. My guess is that the case was not prosecuted because would be difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt: CPS conducted its own investigation and referred the matter to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department (Metro), which also investigated. Following completion of these three separate investigations — by the school, CPS, and Metro — no evidence was found to substantiate the allegations.
The story says that it occurred during a camp and that it was reported to camp counselors and not teachers.
The camp is totally different from the school and who knows what training the counselors get. However, the school still collects money for the program.
I take this is a good reminder to talk to my kids again about what happens if someone tries to assault them, and what to do if it happens. This abuse thrives in darkness. And it can happen anywhere in the seemingly least probably places.
The idea that kids are safe in private schools may just be a pipe dream.
The idea that kids are safe in any Nevada schools, period, is a pipe dream. Bottom of the barrel for so many reasons.
Don’t forget to teach your children that family members can be the source of SA. Sadly, I speak from experience.
Take a look at US v Heppner if you use AI to help you in litigation. The decision basically held that what you put into an AI service is not privileged. Even if you are using it to produce work product. So be careful, there is now some precedent on this issue. Get ready to start getting discovery requests asking what AI companies if any AI was used and subpoenas to those companies.
It’s worth looking at, but to be clear, this has more impact on use of AI by clients than by counsel. https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/court-rules-ai-conversations-are-not-8198015/
Yeah I keep seeing this misunderstanding, which is annoying because you’d think lawyers of all people would be attuned to this kind of distinction. The court held that when a *client* asks for legal advice from an AI chatbot, there is no more privilege than when a client asks for legal advice from his bartender. That makes sense to me – the chatbot isn’t a lawyer and there’s no lawyer-client relationship.
Now, if a *lawyer* uses a chatbot to do legal work, I would imagine it would be protected from discovery in the same way that your Westlaw searches are non-discoverable. But you are taking at least a modicum of risk until the 9th Circuit/NVSC confirms that rule.
Yeah I don’t see this being applied to lawyers. It’s impossible to draw a line in the sand. Why would it be considered waiving privilege to upload documents to an AI vault? How is that any different than using a case management software like Filevine, which also uses AI chat capabilities to create work product? Plus many of these LLM are closed systems. Some people even use LLM’s completely locally, so it isn’t being sent to a server necessarily. The logic just doesn’t hold water.