I haven't been there in ~5 years. Is it the same as it ever was? Massive crowds, all hanging with their own people? Old lawyers hitting on young law students? People getting stupid drunk?
To 10:35. Yes it's still like that. And, IMO, the several things you mentioned are all part of the fun, with one exception. When people go to parties like this they should not merely hang out with their own group or clique. they can do that any old time?
Went to my first CPK party in 1997! Drunk and hitting on twenty-something female attorneys wasn't a good look for middle-aged male judges then. And it isn't now.
Won't be going tonight. But for everyone going, have fun and if you drink, take an Uber.
Ain't no sweetheart deal like Gragson. Congrats to Wolfson.
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October 11, 2019 4:45 pm
Turning to a more mundane issue, I saw in yesterday's SBN email that they now are part of a group health insurance program. Has anyone priced this out? Does anyone have the coverage yet, and if so what do you think? I need to get an individual policy sometime in the next couple of months. Open enrollment on the Nevada Exchange starts Nov. 1, so I need to make some decisions.
I just checked on individual plans, and as far as I can tell, it's the same as any other individual plan you get through the exchange and/or off the exchange.
Maybe they offer some kind of discount for firms for group insurance, but I don't see how this "private marketplace" has any advantages over the normal process for individuals.
That's too bad because my insurance ends at the end of this month and basically all the options suck.
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October 11, 2019 6:37 pm
CPK, PRIDE, or Renaissance Festival tonight…which to choose…which to choose…???? #FirstWorldProblems
Ok, if we're listing our First World Problems: I have a first date with a girl tonight. We're going to Bellagio for dinner. I usually roll up my sleeves on casual shirts but do not want her to think me pretentious because of my Rolex with aftermarket diamond band, but if I leave my sleeves down (on my Robert Graham shirt) then when I'm shifting in the Porsche my sleeve can get caught on the emergency brake which (on this year and model) is in the middle. What to do? Been bothering me all day.
I have the same problems 11:59, only substitute Porsche with Subaru, Robert Graham with Banana Republic, and Rolex with aftermarket diamond band with iPhone in my pocket.
@11:59, just take her straight to your hotel room.
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October 11, 2019 7:24 pm
What is Sisolak "outraged" about? That foreign criminals unsuccessfully tried to apply for marijuana business licenses? They were two months too late to even apply. I get that the state bungled the application process but Giuliani's bffs weren't even in the mix. Is there something more? More than an allegation that ONE dispensary sold to ONE underage kid? If that is the fact, it seems like that's statistically pretty damn good. Did the first set of casinos lose their licenses the first time an underage kid played a slot machine? What am I missing? This is a weird story.
True, the outrage seems contrived. Still, if you notice a broken window at your house and crowbar marks on a door frame, inspecting and stepping up security might be prudent.
We have a winner. There is no actual outrage here. What this is is a shot across the bow to any future tomfoolery in the MJ industry. He saw a chance to puff up and try to get people in line and he took it.
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October 11, 2019 9:48 pm
Off topic, but wondering. It seems like(as a general rule) most lawyers have, as their close group of friends who they hang out with, other lawyers.
That's understandable, due to the commonality of experience and profession, but it seems some go too far with it. I was invited to a house party consisting of several people, all attorneys. I responded that I would love to attend but that I had a friend visiting from out-of-state. I was then told to bring him along, so I did.
When the group of about eight of us were having a discussion, everything everyone mentioned was an anecdote or war story form their law career, both recent and vintage. My friend, who I brought as a guest, is a Political Science professor. So he, as well as myself, occasionally tried to introduce a topic centered around current events, pending elections or important political news, etc. But the attorneys in attendance would have none of it. Not only did no one address any comments or questions to my guest, but whenever he offered a remark, if it was not directly centered on current Nevada litigation or legal occurrences involving one or more of the guests, he was ignored and the conversation was invariably steered back to personal anecdotes about one's law practice and career.
My friend said this is hardly isolated and that lawyers, far more so than others, behave socially this way when together as a group.
So, I ask, do you all find this to be accurate? Do you have close non-attorney friends? When at gatherings chiefly composed of attorneys, do you make sincere attempts to include the non-attorneys in the conversation?
Now, even if my friend's observations are true to an extent, I believe that
gatherings of police officers who work together, or military personnel currently serving together, is far worse to some degree. Ever attend one of those gatherings?
If you attend a barbecue of cops, or service personnel, drinking beer, having a great time, and sharing anecdotes based on their commonality of experience, see how far an outsider gets if they introduce a topic based on their career and interests as a graphic designer, accountant, third grade teacher, or whatever.
In fact, now that I think of it, often attorneys ignore other attorneys. If, for example, it is a narrow gathering of A.D.A's and crim. defense attorneys,
and some Commercial Law attorney shows up, no one will care about his/her anecdotes or observations.
Sometimes it's hard not to talk about the law, as it is obviously a major part of our lives. However, I always make a conscious effort to 1) invite non-lawyers to hang out (which isn't that difficult when your spouse is not a lawyer), and 2) try to keep the shop talk to a minimum — and only to stories that would interest everyone.
I think if someone invited me to dinner and I knew it was just going to be a group of lawyers, I'd probably decline. Frankly, many lawyers suck to hang out with… which is why I'm not going to CPK tonight.
I am so with 3:37. 95 percent of my lawyer "friends" are aholes. That is why I laugh when people post on here about how people should cars about what others think; fuck that.
I agree that lawyers tend to hang out with other lawyers, and that as a group, lawyers are boring, talking only about themselves and others in the legal community.
Cops are much worse. I've been to several cop retirement parties, and other police social events — my two best friends are cops, and I was their best man when they married (a male and female officer, not gays!), god-father to their kids, … With very strong sponsorship from active cops, I've been sort-of accepted and tolerated after over a decade of involvement. They are so much worse than attorneys as a closed group socially!
I do not hang out with lawyers, and I am almost totally ignorant of the local legal landscape. Reading today's posts, my first thought was: who is Craig P. Kenny? I'd never heard of him or of his annual party. And I certainly would not be interested in going, to hang with lawyers!
Tonight, my wife and I are going out with some friends. A retired postal worker, a casino executive, someone running a security firm (a retired cop) and wives. No attorneys!
Have a great weekend. Good luck having a normal social life with interesting people. There is a lot out there that is not in the legal field!
Like basically all attorneys, I have found myself in these social gatherings. I don't mind socializing with attorneys as long as we talk about some things other than law. Part of the reason that we sometimes fail to discuss anything else is that it's easy for law to completely consume our individual identities. I have definitely been guilty of this. It is both scary and sad. We have to be proactive in carving out identity and time that is completely separate from the law.
Like you attorneys feel about hanging with other attorneys is how staff feels about holiday parties….we just got a few hours off and just don't want to go to a work function nor subject our significant other.
Ain't no party like a CPK party.
The best part is the abundance of Woodersons there.
I haven't been there in ~5 years. Is it the same as it ever was? Massive crowds, all hanging with their own people? Old lawyers hitting on young law students? People getting stupid drunk?
Does Nevada recognize social host liability? Seems many get over-served at the CPK bash.
Nevada generally does not recognize social host liability. NRS 41.1305.
To 10:35. Yes it's still like that. And, IMO, the several things you mentioned are all part of the fun, with one exception. When people go to parties like this they should not merely hang out with their own group or clique. they can do that any old time?
Went to my first CPK party in 1997! Drunk and hitting on twenty-something female attorneys wasn't a good look for middle-aged male judges then. And it isn't now.
Won't be going tonight. But for everyone going, have fun and if you drink, take an Uber.
Anybody on here remember "Bosses Night?"
Ain't no sweetheart deal like Gragson. Congrats to Wolfson.
Turning to a more mundane issue, I saw in yesterday's SBN email that they now are part of a group health insurance program. Has anyone priced this out? Does anyone have the coverage yet, and if so what do you think? I need to get an individual policy sometime in the next couple of months. Open enrollment on the Nevada Exchange starts Nov. 1, so I need to make some decisions.
I just checked on individual plans, and as far as I can tell, it's the same as any other individual plan you get through the exchange and/or off the exchange.
Maybe they offer some kind of discount for firms for group insurance, but I don't see how this "private marketplace" has any advantages over the normal process for individuals.
That's too bad because my insurance ends at the end of this month and basically all the options suck.
CPK, PRIDE, or Renaissance Festival tonight…which to choose…which to choose…???? #FirstWorldProblems
Ok, if we're listing our First World Problems: I have a first date with a girl tonight. We're going to Bellagio for dinner. I usually roll up my sleeves on casual shirts but do not want her to think me pretentious because of my Rolex with aftermarket diamond band, but if I leave my sleeves down (on my Robert Graham shirt) then when I'm shifting in the Porsche my sleeve can get caught on the emergency brake which (on this year and model) is in the middle. What to do? Been bothering me all day.
Do strippers care about such things??
Roll the sleeves. It's not like its a Patek. She probably won't even notice.
I have the same problems 11:59, only substitute Porsche with Subaru, Robert Graham with Banana Republic, and Rolex with aftermarket diamond band with iPhone in my pocket.
Getting on a plane out of here for the weekend.
You bought Rob Graham's shirts? (Inquiring defrauded clients' minds want to know).
Yes, a ccdc issued jump suit tailored by NSC.
@11:59, just take her straight to your hotel room.
What is Sisolak "outraged" about? That foreign criminals unsuccessfully tried to apply for marijuana business licenses? They were two months too late to even apply. I get that the state bungled the application process but Giuliani's bffs weren't even in the mix. Is there something more? More than an allegation that ONE dispensary sold to ONE underage kid? If that is the fact, it seems like that's statistically pretty damn good. Did the first set of casinos lose their licenses the first time an underage kid played a slot machine? What am I missing? This is a weird story.
ALL of the politicians have "fake" outrage on anything that might result in a vote.
True, the outrage seems contrived. Still, if you notice a broken window at your house and crowbar marks on a door frame, inspecting and stepping up security might be prudent.
We have a winner. There is no actual outrage here. What this is is a shot across the bow to any future tomfoolery in the MJ industry. He saw a chance to puff up and try to get people in line and he took it.
Off topic, but wondering. It seems like(as a general rule) most lawyers have, as their close group of friends who they hang out with, other lawyers.
That's understandable, due to the commonality of experience and profession, but it seems some go too far with it. I was invited to a house party consisting of several people, all attorneys. I responded that I would love to attend but that I had a friend visiting from out-of-state. I was then told to bring him along, so I did.
When the group of about eight of us were having a discussion, everything everyone mentioned was an anecdote or war story form their law career, both recent and vintage. My friend, who I brought as a guest, is a Political Science professor. So he, as well as myself, occasionally tried to introduce a topic centered around current events, pending elections or important political news, etc. But the attorneys in attendance would have none of it. Not only did no one address any comments or questions to my guest, but whenever he offered a remark, if it was not directly centered on current Nevada litigation or legal occurrences involving one or more of the guests, he was ignored and the conversation was invariably steered back to personal anecdotes about one's law practice and career.
My friend said this is hardly isolated and that lawyers, far more so than others, behave socially this way when together as a group.
So, I ask, do you all find this to be accurate? Do you have close non-attorney friends? When at gatherings chiefly composed of attorneys, do you make sincere attempts to include the non-attorneys in the conversation?
Now, even if my friend's observations are true to an extent, I believe that
gatherings of police officers who work together, or military personnel currently serving together, is far worse to some degree. Ever attend one of those gatherings?
If you attend a barbecue of cops, or service personnel, drinking beer, having a great time, and sharing anecdotes based on their commonality of experience, see how far an outsider gets if they introduce a topic based on their career and interests as a graphic designer, accountant, third grade teacher, or whatever.
In fact, now that I think of it, often attorneys ignore other attorneys. If, for example, it is a narrow gathering of A.D.A's and crim. defense attorneys,
and some Commercial Law attorney shows up, no one will care about his/her anecdotes or observations.
You need new friends
You're not wrong. Get a group of us together and we just can't help it.
Sometimes it's hard not to talk about the law, as it is obviously a major part of our lives. However, I always make a conscious effort to 1) invite non-lawyers to hang out (which isn't that difficult when your spouse is not a lawyer), and 2) try to keep the shop talk to a minimum — and only to stories that would interest everyone.
I think if someone invited me to dinner and I knew it was just going to be a group of lawyers, I'd probably decline. Frankly, many lawyers suck to hang out with… which is why I'm not going to CPK tonight.
I prefer to spend my free time with non lawyers. It's a breath of fresh air.
I am so with 3:37. 95 percent of my lawyer "friends" are aholes. That is why I laugh when people post on here about how people should cars about what others think; fuck that.
I agree that lawyers tend to hang out with other lawyers, and that as a group, lawyers are boring, talking only about themselves and others in the legal community.
Cops are much worse. I've been to several cop retirement parties, and other police social events — my two best friends are cops, and I was their best man when they married (a male and female officer, not gays!), god-father to their kids, … With very strong sponsorship from active cops, I've been sort-of accepted and tolerated after over a decade of involvement. They are so much worse than attorneys as a closed group socially!
I do not hang out with lawyers, and I am almost totally ignorant of the local legal landscape. Reading today's posts, my first thought was: who is Craig P. Kenny? I'd never heard of him or of his annual party. And I certainly would not be interested in going, to hang with lawyers!
Tonight, my wife and I are going out with some friends. A retired postal worker, a casino executive, someone running a security firm (a retired cop) and wives. No attorneys!
Have a great weekend. Good luck having a normal social life with interesting people. There is a lot out there that is not in the legal field!
I like CPK, his firm, his attorneys, and his staff.
That said, tonight I'm eating pizza with my family and watching Hocus Pocus in our jammies. Life's too short.
Like basically all attorneys, I have found myself in these social gatherings. I don't mind socializing with attorneys as long as we talk about some things other than law. Part of the reason that we sometimes fail to discuss anything else is that it's easy for law to completely consume our individual identities. I have definitely been guilty of this. It is both scary and sad. We have to be proactive in carving out identity and time that is completely separate from the law.
Like you attorneys feel about hanging with other attorneys is how staff feels about holiday parties….we just got a few hours off and just don't want to go to a work function nor subject our significant other.