Hate on us BYU grads all you want, but we dominate the legal market wherever we go. Most Vegas firms will hire out of BYU before they hire out of UNLV.
My firm considers BYU/Utah/ASU/Arizona grads with Nevada ties all about the same as similarly-ranked Boyd grads. We will interview them but they will all be at a disadvantage to students who went to better schools.
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May 20, 2019 10:25 pm
@1:20 no way Boyd grads compare favorably to grads from any of those schools unless it is No.1 at Boyd compared to lower 1/3 of any graduating class of those schools.
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May 20, 2019 10:47 pm
How do you figure? The quality of the applicants is pretty similar over those schools. All those schools have median LSATs ranging from 158-164, which is a pretty narrow band of good but not great scores. Law schools all have the same people teaching the same things, so school rank is mostly a signaling mechanism for the quality of the students.
I mean, I provided data that all those schools have LSAT medians pretty much within the test's margin of error and well within one standard deviation. You have just provided assertions that Boyd students are less capable on average. Do you have any data that backs this up?
Not that it matters, but I didn't go to any of these law schools and wouldn't pass a resume on to my hiring committee from any of these schools if the student wasn't in the top 15% or so. I just haven't seen any data that suggests I should treat these schools differently from one another.
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May 20, 2019 11:50 pm
That Bond firm basically does these NCAA investigations for a living. They have relationships with the NCAA investigators, they've done it enough times that they hit the ground running, and they have credibility so that their conclusions aren't as readily second-guessed. It's like when one of the big casinos hires a big New York or DC firm to handle its big ticket regulatory work or investigations. It stings that a Nevadan isn't picked, but I'd ultimately make the same choice if I were the general counsel.
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May 21, 2019 12:22 am
What is considered a good amount of billable hours monthly at a large insurance defense firm? What is considered superstar level? Thanks.
If you mean obscene as in obscenely high, it is not. From what I've seen, there is a lot of creative billing involved to hit the numbers. Of course, I've seen that from other types of firms as well. At the rates paid for a lot of types of insurance defense work, you have to do lots of hours.
I am not doing insurance defense, but I have billed between 180-200 a month for the past three years, and I have done it honestly. I can confirm that I gave my life away. My salary is OK, but not amazing. Last night I was looking at buying something online, something that, prior to law school, I would have loved to have purchased. The price was not only affordable, but inconsequential relative to what I make now. But I had to stop myself, not because I didn't have the money, but I had to be honest with myself and admit that I would not have the time to use this purchase. So I am where I was 15 years ago, unable to obtain and use this purhcase, only now for a different reason. Before I lacked money, now I lack time.
SB94 – Sad that sociopaths forced a need for such a bill, but I damn glad it passed.
Hell, I'd even consider a scenario where no bill touched that subject matter to be a win considering the alternatives popping up across the country.
Huh. BYU grad? Shocking.
Hate on us BYU grads all you want, but we dominate the legal market wherever we go. Most Vegas firms will hire out of BYU before they hire out of UNLV.
My firm does not. Causing a holy war, 11:25?
My firm considers BYU/Utah/ASU/Arizona grads with Nevada ties all about the same as similarly-ranked Boyd grads. We will interview them but they will all be at a disadvantage to students who went to better schools.
We don't even interview anybody from UNLV since it became the Harry Reid office for career advancement for his "friends."
1:29. I don't know what that means.
according to nvbar, he went to Loyola law school?
BYU undergrad.
Anonymous May 20, 2019 at 10:28 AM ????????? I don't follow.
Benjamin Bunker attended Brigham Young University. He graduated in 2000 with a B.A., International Politics.
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@1:20 no way Boyd grads compare favorably to grads from any of those schools unless it is No.1 at Boyd compared to lower 1/3 of any graduating class of those schools.
How do you figure? The quality of the applicants is pretty similar over those schools. All those schools have median LSATs ranging from 158-164, which is a pretty narrow band of good but not great scores. Law schools all have the same people teaching the same things, so school rank is mostly a signaling mechanism for the quality of the students.
You are delusional if you think the average UNLV law grad is as capable as the average BYU/Utah/Arizona/ASU grad.
Totally agree. After all, Sean Claggett teaches there.
"delusional" is thinking that anyone cares where you went to law school after your 2nd year.
I mean, I provided data that all those schools have LSAT medians pretty much within the test's margin of error and well within one standard deviation. You have just provided assertions that Boyd students are less capable on average. Do you have any data that backs this up?
Not that it matters, but I didn't go to any of these law schools and wouldn't pass a resume on to my hiring committee from any of these schools if the student wasn't in the top 15% or so. I just haven't seen any data that suggests I should treat these schools differently from one another.
That Bond firm basically does these NCAA investigations for a living. They have relationships with the NCAA investigators, they've done it enough times that they hit the ground running, and they have credibility so that their conclusions aren't as readily second-guessed. It's like when one of the big casinos hires a big New York or DC firm to handle its big ticket regulatory work or investigations. It stings that a Nevadan isn't picked, but I'd ultimately make the same choice if I were the general counsel.
What is considered a good amount of billable hours monthly at a large insurance defense firm? What is considered superstar level? Thanks.
160-180 is standard, 180-200 is partner level, 220 is superstar.
Thanks.
Wow, really? (Honest question.) 200 hours / month is an average of 6.67 billable hours every.single.day, including weekends.
Unless the salary is obscene, that is giving your life away.
If you mean obscene as in obscenely high, it is not. From what I've seen, there is a lot of creative billing involved to hit the numbers. Of course, I've seen that from other types of firms as well. At the rates paid for a lot of types of insurance defense work, you have to do lots of hours.
I am not doing insurance defense, but I have billed between 180-200 a month for the past three years, and I have done it honestly. I can confirm that I gave my life away. My salary is OK, but not amazing. Last night I was looking at buying something online, something that, prior to law school, I would have loved to have purchased. The price was not only affordable, but inconsequential relative to what I make now. But I had to stop myself, not because I didn't have the money, but I had to be honest with myself and admit that I would not have the time to use this purchase. So I am where I was 15 years ago, unable to obtain and use this purhcase, only now for a different reason. Before I lacked money, now I lack time.
Insurance defense does not reward honest lawyers.
There were lawyers billing 230+ at my last firm. Many of these never worked weekends or past 530.