Flu Shot Season

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  • One of our readers wants to know your thoughts on flu shots. Some of her co-workers are basically anti-vaxxers when it comes to flu shot. “What makes these otherwise reasonable people so unreasonable about something that can affect everyone else in the office?”
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October 10, 2019 4:22 pm

If this person works with anti-vaxxers this person needs a new place of employment. Anti-vaxxers are selfish individuals who substitute their stupid judgment for the health and safety of others, defying medical advice. F'ing idiots basically. Also- there are individuals who cannot have certain vaccines due to allergies to the ingredients in the vaccines so people who voluntarily don't take vaccines create more harm and risk to those unable. Jackasses

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October 10, 2019 4:28 pm
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@9:22 — I agree and could not have said it better myself.

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October 10, 2019 4:32 pm
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I feel like flu shots don't work half the time and sometimes actually make me get the flu. I am def not an anti-vaxxer, and would get a flu shot if convenient (my work used to have a nurse come in to administer them for free), but I am not about to stand in line or go to the doctor's office for one.

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October 10, 2019 4:50 pm
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It sounds like I'm with 9:32 here. I've never had a flu shot, and most years I don't get the flu. When I do get it, it sucks, but it's only a few days of misery. I'm definitely not an anti-vaxxer, but I just have never felt that there was that much of a benefit for this particularly shot, for a reasonably healthy adult. Kids and elderly are different, of course.

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October 10, 2019 5:01 pm
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My office has someone come in that will give flu shots in office. Literally all they have to do is roll up their sleeve and get the shot, but they won't. For same reasons at 9:50 said. I also agree with 9:22 that there are people who rely on herd immunity–i.e. everyone else is vaccinated which protects those who can't for medical reasons. I get what 9:50 is saying about standing in line, but it takes no more than 10 minutes at the pharmacy in Walmart or Target while you're shopping.

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October 10, 2019 5:36 pm
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Antivax
I have for sometime thought that there is a possibility for a lawsuit for PI where a person knowing of the risks to others and intentionally fails to vaccinate, causes serious injury to others, say for something like polio or measles causing death. Of course there is the pesty problem of contributory negligence of the "others" who become ill since they have also refused to vaccinate. Still, you only need 51%. Sue all of the anitvax parents in the elementary school (schools keep records of who refuses to vaccinate), let them argue about which one of their kids made the other kids ill. Great billing too.

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October 10, 2019 6:00 pm
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9:50 and 9:32
Have you considered the likelihood that you didn't catch the flu because most of the people around you were vaccinated and therefore didn't spread the virus around the office?

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October 10, 2019 8:06 pm
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9:32 and for those offices who don't bring in the flu shot–there are minute clinics everywhere, Vons also that will give you the flu shot. Do you not have any insurance? It is free for me as I have insurance. I went to CVS this year. Vons last year and got 10% coupon off which I used at thanksgiving.

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October 10, 2019 8:22 pm
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932 here… I do have insurance, but I rarely get the flu (like twice in the last 10 years). My office only brought people in 2 of those years, which are the only 2 years I have ever had a flu shot. I got the flu one of those years. So if I really thought it would prevent the inevitable, I would get one. Also, if it was as convenient as rolling up my sleeve, I would get one. But for me, it has a 50% effective rate, so I am not going to waste my time.

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October 10, 2019 8:42 pm
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950 here. Today's conversation actually spurred me to doing a little research. After reading a few articles from reputable sources, I have decided that it would be worthwhile to get the shot. Thanks for the motivation.

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October 10, 2019 8:53 pm
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Is there a vaccine against opposing counsel attempting to channel Cicero's oratory skills during what was to be a lightweight motion hearing that is now a stipulated!! extension. C'mon man, there was nothing to say, you must be charging your client by the word!!

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October 10, 2019 8:59 pm
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Flu can be deadly (see Spanish Flu, 1918). My shot was free at the drugstore under my insurance. Filled out a form, and then pharmacist leaned over the counter with the needle and stuck me while I was standing there. The whole thing took maybe ten minutes. A little bicep pain 24 hours later, but no other ill effects. No reason not to do it.

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October 10, 2019 9:03 pm
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I didn't get the shot last year and had a terrible bout that lasted a full week. It was horrible. Never doing that again.

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October 10, 2019 9:37 pm
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1:22, you say if you thought the flu shot would prevent the inevitable you would get one. It's hardly inevitable that you'd get polio, whooping cough, or chicken pox either, but you seem amenable to them. Look, in any given year, chances are you won't get any viruses that can be vaccinated against, so it has nothing to do with preventing the "inevitable." The issue is that you deem the flu to be a relatively minor inconvenience so you can't spare 10 minutes to get a shot (while spending plenty of time on the blog here), which is a selfish position since you will have a higher likelihood of spreading it to others, including babies and the elderly. It's not a minor inconvenience to them. So suck it up buttercup.

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October 10, 2019 9:45 pm
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That was my point. I have had the flu 2x in 10 years. It is hardly inevitable.

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October 10, 2019 11:36 pm
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As somebody who rarely gets sick and is thus tempted to skip it (my arm feels like I've been punched), here is why I still get the shot:
1. Herd immunity helps the immunocompromised, as previously noted.
2. You can spread the flu even if you don't have symptoms because you are contagious before symptoms hit and you are also contagious if your immune system is so healthy that it doesn't really result in major illness for you (in which case, you feel okay, but you can make those around you extremely ill).
3. Yes, it is only 50-60% effective in preventing flu, but if you get the vaccine and get some strain of the virus that it doesn't prevent, your symptoms will be much more mild, so it is still useful even when not "effective."

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October 10, 2019 11:42 pm
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4. I can see the world that exists beyond the brim of my own hat and understand I'm part of a society, and that I am not, in fact, a unique and special snowflake.

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October 10, 2019 11:44 pm
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2:45, I think 2:37's point is that it's not inevitable you'd get whooping cough either (in fact it would be less likely), but you get that one. You're minimizing the dangers of the flu in that it may not be deadly to you (like whooping cough, polio, etc.) but it is deadly to others and you're making it more likely others will get it.

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October 14, 2019 3:40 pm
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Anonymous October 10, 2019 at 4:36 PM – What you said. You touched on all the critical points clearly and simply.

There is a larger issue at hand here, which is the sad and unfortunate growth in in anti-intellectualism and anti-science attitudes which is doing the nation a world of harm.

So many of those opposed to the flu vaccine have been duped by a crooked and now discredited scientist who they constantly quote who was not actually anti-vaccine, but trying to discredit current vaccines to sell his own.

No one should be allowed to leave high school without a very basic fundamental understanding of how the scientific method works – and doesn't work.

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October 10, 2019 5:06 pm

Any idea who the two Nevada candidates mentioned in this indictment might be? https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/u-s-vs-lev-parnas-et-al-indicment/12ab2d62-230f-4e38-8f1a-b6221ee48876/

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October 10, 2019 5:52 pm
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Wes Duncan and Adam Laxalt, according to Ralston.

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October 10, 2019 6:02 pm
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According to Aurora, Igor Fruman gave $10,000 to both Laxalt and Duncan on Nov. 1, 2018. (see pp. 12-13 of the indictment). Those appear to be the only contributions ever made by Fruman.
Hmm…

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October 10, 2019 6:13 pm
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Fascinating. I wonder if this will end up having a spillover effect on Lawrence Van Dyke's appointment to the 9th Circuit.

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October 10, 2019 6:23 pm

How do you not take it personally when you lose a motion? Newish lawyer here.

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October 10, 2019 6:38 pm
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lose 100 more

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October 10, 2019 6:45 pm
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haha awesome and true

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October 10, 2019 6:45 pm
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First is to remember that for every motion there will be at least one side, if not both, that does not "win" what they are asking for. As the counsel representing the client, you did not have the privilege of writing the law you have to work within, nor did you get to create the facts which will govern the dispute. Sometimes, both the facts and the law are unfavorable yet the client doesn't want to concede on the issue or expects you to at least engage in damage control.

When the issue deals you chicken sh*t, sometimes the best you can do is to try to sell it as chicken salad.

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October 10, 2019 6:53 pm
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11:23 here is how seriously (at least for me). After a few years you will learn that the system is not fair. Judges can be biased and/or corrupt. Processes and laws not followed. Money influences. Opposing counsels that cheat. Clients and OP that lie. All you can do is do your best and remember you are actually a small part of the influencing factors that contribute to what happens. I have had some absolutely heartbreaking cases and yes you may remember them but you will also remember that no one could have done more. Quick story bc u sound serious. I had a grandmother client where her daughter died on Christmas Eve from a sudden flu. The bio dad who had never seen an 11 year old little boy that the gma raised took the child. So gma lost daughter and child in about a month. She was devastated. I did all I could pro bono. The Judge (a visiting Sr. Judge who did not know Family Law) completely quoted the wrong law and we lost. It still haunts me in a Spiritual way but I can sleep knowing I literally did everything a human could do. Sadly, we could not do an appeal. If I were to say why, it would be too much identification as the case made the paper. So, new person, just do your best. Sorry for typos, etc. on cell.

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October 10, 2019 11:16 pm
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The biggest misunderstanding that young lawyers have (I know I did) is that you think you have much more control over the outcome of a case (or motion) than you actually do.

The reality is that you actually have remarkably little control. As 11:53 said, the law and the facts are what they are, and the judge is most likely going to rule one way or another based on his/her own reading and/or gut reaction to that. And unfortunately, sometimes other reasons like politics can cause you to lose a case that "on the merits" you probably should have won.

Obviously you have to do the work, and if you consistently do good work, you will win more than you lose, and you will sleep well at night knowing you are doing all you can.

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October 10, 2019 11:31 pm
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You can't develop the attitude that things beyond your control will determine the outcome. You accept that as a truth, but also a faith in yourself that you can take the parts within your control to increase the probability of success through good lawyering. The 1927 Yankees lost 44 games. Likewise, sometimes, even I, an anonymous poster in my great and unmatched wisdom, sometimes lose a hearing. Not very often, believe me! Many people are saying that I am basically the love child of Clarence Darrow and Jackie Chiles.

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October 10, 2019 11:49 pm
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If you got paid, you won.

Anonymous
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October 10, 2019 8:50 pm

Do the 8th Judicial District Local Rules have a volume limit (i.e., word limit) for motions or is it just the 30 page limit?

Anonymous
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October 10, 2019 9:14 pm
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Just the 30-page limit under EDCR 2.20(a) for briefs for pretrial or post-trial briefs. No type-volume limit like under NRAP.

Anonymous
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October 10, 2019 11:04 pm
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Nor do the proposed amended EDCR change that – it'll still be page limit only.

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October 11, 2019 2:29 pm
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Where are the proposed amended EDCRs? Can you provide a link?

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October 10, 2019 10:34 pm

More corruption in the news. https://nypost.com/2019/10/10/6-facts-about-hunter-bidens-business-dealings-in-china/

Obama let the Russians and Chinese in to our political system. Joe Biden put his hand out and the family got paid. We all will pay for generations.

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Anonymous
October 10, 2019 10:35 pm
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3:34 can't distinguish news from opinion, despite the piece clearly being labeled as opinion.

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October 10, 2019 11:38 pm
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What's even more troubling is it's labeled an opinion article, but then immediately says it's about "6 facts." It's either opinion or its facts. Get your shit together NY Post.

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Anonymous
October 11, 2019 12:04 am
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It's a fact-ver-torial.

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October 11, 2019 12:51 am
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Hunter Biden corrupt, therefore no Trump impeachment! (Repeat as necessary until vindicated or exonerated or people just stop caring).

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October 11, 2019 3:09 am
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Nevada Supreme Court has the same problem. Always publishing opinions, but stuffing a bunch of facts in there. Get your shit together, NSC.

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October 11, 2019 3:52 pm
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Hunter Biden bad! = Nobody else can be bad. It's logic and strategery and science and very, very large brain. Eat that libtards!

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October 10, 2019 11:05 pm

"I recently made a trip to Latin America. I wish I had studied Latin while in school so I could have communicated better with those people down there in Latin America."–a Boyd Graduate.

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October 10, 2019 11:39 pm
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burn

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October 11, 2019 12:26 am

RECIPROCITY!!!

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October 11, 2019 4:45 am
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Did something happen?

Anonymous
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October 11, 2019 6:23 am
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"FIRE" (in a movie theater)

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October 11, 2019 6:00 pm
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Doesn't seem like anything happened yet. They just showed a video about it at the bar luncheon