The only reason I would even vaguely hope this happens for him is so that he can begin to make restitution to the family whose daughter he killed. Beyond that, it is very hard to feel any sympathy for him or hope for a redemption arc.
As a human who tries to understand all sides, I hate to see a young man totally waste his life, that being said, he is about the least sympathetic figure I can imagine. So tragic.
I understand the reasoning behind the sentence. Nevertheless, considering the extremely agonizing method of death of the victims, it's not enough. Old Testament eye for eye would be real justice.
Ruggs -Two Systems of Justice?
Barton (box truck driver) sentenced 16 – 40
Ruggs 6 -10
Collins (UNLV b-ball recruit) 3 yrs probation
All of these had some screw ups by law enforcement and Wolfson's office.
Yet the only one that got a real sentence was the man who had no influence, no powerful friends, and no money. Go figure.
Just wait to Telles goes to trial and gets an acquittal or a plea deal for manslaughter. Wolfson’s DAs don’t know how to try a case and are running scared from the criminal defense bar.
@3:46 Influence is probably more important than money. Raiders, UNLV basketball. In the case of Collins, where did the defense money come from? It would be interesting to see who paid his legal expenses. I am looking at you, UNLV boosters.
OJ was noticing that he got up to 33 years while no one harmed, etc. and Ruggs got 3-10? where death, etc. – OJ thought it unfair (not an OJ fan just find his analysis interesting)
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August 10, 2023 12:17 am
What is the protocol to request yourself be placed on a particular judge’s recuse list? So you don’t have to burn a peremptory challenge and/or file a motion to recuse each time your draw that judge? The individual seeking to be put on the list does not want to file a judicial complaint against the judge. Is there a quiet way to make this request when there’s no pending cases with that Judge and attorney to put something in place moving forward?
I do not have the answer to your question but thought this might provide you background information. Many years ago, I filed a Judicial Complaint against a Judge (who was eventually suspended). I then filed a Motion to the Chief Judge (can't remember the title). The Chief Judge then removed ALL my cases (I had several) in front of that Judge and new Judges were assigned. Sorry I cannot directly answer your question but though you might find it interesting if you had to go the complaint route as it was, for me, a way to have all my cases removed. I do not know the internal mechanisms but that Judge was never assigned to any new ones I had after that and I was from a VERY busy law firm with many cases. Good luck to you.
Very high burden. Got to have some serious evidence for it to even be considered. I can just assume 5:17 is a family court litigator – lol. Good luck to you
You don’t get on a recuse list unless you file a complaint (that may not do it either) or the Judge adds you because you are friends or have business relationship etc.
There is a way to accomplish this without resorting to the extreme remedy of a judicial complaint, or even the somewhat less extreme remedy of involving the Chief Judge.
A carefully worded letter to the judge asking for this relief might do the trick. Don't refer to any specific case or specific actions taken by the judge, don't criticize, and don't threaten or imply that further action(such as a judicial complaint) would be taken if the judge doesn't recuse, as the judge already knows that you are likely to proceed further if no recusal, so why antagonize the situation.
Again, include no specifics. Just refer to the professional relationship deteriorating to the point where an appearance of impropriety is a risk to be avoided. If you refer to specific alleged wrong doing, the judge cannot recuse from your cases while still saving face. They would be tacitly admitting to the wrongful actions alluded to in the letter if they recuse. Therefore, you have a dramatically better shot if you keep it real general, and the tone as civil as possible.
Then if that doesn't work you can decide whether you wish to turn the heat way up, and proceed further. Generally speaking, it's probably much better to pay the $450. than to pick this type of huge fight(reporting a judge) butt it is possible the facts may justify it.
I respectfully disagree with 8:46 for two reasons. 1) if the relationship has deteriorated then the Judge might use anything you say and mischaracterize it and use it against you. 2) Depending if you have friends or not at OBC, it could literally be defined as anything. Don’t believe me? Look at that recent appeal where the guy went to the emergency room and OBC is trying to say it unethically delayed a hearing. Or read that most recent voluminous appeal from he who cannot be named …
Are there any attorneys in town or retired judges they could go to for advice? If the only option is a complaint that is quite unfortunate. There should be a court ombudsman to address these issues informally without resorting to the formal complaint process.
9:08- I don't know. I've practiced several decades and have seen the approach suggested by 8:46 actually work.. And when it didn't result in the recusal, there were no real repercussions, and the judge in fact treated the attorney fairly well from that point on. But instead jumping to reporting the judge to the commission is where the stakes are really, really high.
I am 20+ and would just pony up the $450 every time.
I always explain to my clients at the time of retention that there are a few judges that I do not recommend we take a case in front of and that the peremptory challenge is always a possibility. If we draw that judge in the "random assignment" then we will file the challenge and the costs will be billed against the retainer. If the client has already been served with papers and the judge is assigned, I inform them up front and build that expense into the retainer amount.
e.g. Total retainer of $5,450 or whatever it shakes out to be
OP, what a shady end run around a judge you don't like. What a wonderful "solution" to save you and your clients $450. How many cases are you filing where it has become such an issue? Lots of room for abuse, even if you are not abusing it, which you may be (I obviously don't know the circumstances of your situation, but it sounds a little fishy to me).
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Blog is dead, but has it been cremated?
Somebody call Christian.
Let's start a thread discussing Exhibit 1. Why do I pay taxes?
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Why don't you murder and rape?
12:26 just now learning that wealthy white dudes (especially well-connected ones) don't get the same treatment as the rest of us plebs.
Ruggs will be out of custody in less than two years. Maybe an NFL club will take a chance on him.
The only reason I would even vaguely hope this happens for him is so that he can begin to make restitution to the family whose daughter he killed. Beyond that, it is very hard to feel any sympathy for him or hope for a redemption arc.
As a human who tries to understand all sides, I hate to see a young man totally waste his life, that being said, he is about the least sympathetic figure I can imagine. So tragic.
I understand the reasoning behind the sentence. Nevertheless, considering the extremely agonizing method of death of the victims, it's not enough. Old Testament eye for eye would be real justice.
Yeah, but Schonfeld sent him to counseling for a PTSD diagnosis. So . . . yeah, its all good. Right?
Ruggs -Two Systems of Justice?
Barton (box truck driver) sentenced 16 – 40
Ruggs 6 -10
Collins (UNLV b-ball recruit) 3 yrs probation
All of these had some screw ups by law enforcement and Wolfson's office.
Yet the only one that got a real sentence was the man who had no influence, no powerful friends, and no money. Go figure.
Ahem.
3 to 10.
Ruggs go three to ten, not six to ten. And he'll be out in less than three. Collins won't see the inside of a prison cell.
Which tells us what? Hire Chesnoff!
More like "Retain Wolfson"
Just wait to Telles goes to trial and gets an acquittal or a plea deal for manslaughter. Wolfson’s DAs don’t know how to try a case and are running scared from the criminal defense bar.
I am no fan of the CCDA but remind me again who from the "criminal defense bar" is representing Telles of whom CCDA is "running scared"?
Boom!
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11:36. It only has to do with money. Those defendants had no influence. They had money to hire the right people.
@3:46 Influence is probably more important than money. Raiders, UNLV basketball. In the case of Collins, where did the defense money come from? It would be interesting to see who paid his legal expenses. I am looking at you, UNLV boosters.
Who cares? Make UNLV Basketball 1990 again.
Thanks!! Got to work right now but will try tomorrow
Even OJ had rough comments re Ruggs, Google it I don't have the link handy.
Why not – no question Ruggs did it.
OJ was noticing that he got up to 33 years while no one harmed, etc. and Ruggs got 3-10? where death, etc. – OJ thought it unfair (not an OJ fan just find his analysis interesting)
What is the protocol to request yourself be placed on a particular judge’s recuse list? So you don’t have to burn a peremptory challenge and/or file a motion to recuse each time your draw that judge? The individual seeking to be put on the list does not want to file a judicial complaint against the judge. Is there a quiet way to make this request when there’s no pending cases with that Judge and attorney to put something in place moving forward?
I do not have the answer to your question but thought this might provide you background information. Many years ago, I filed a Judicial Complaint against a Judge (who was eventually suspended). I then filed a Motion to the Chief Judge (can't remember the title). The Chief Judge then removed ALL my cases (I had several) in front of that Judge and new Judges were assigned. Sorry I cannot directly answer your question but though you might find it interesting if you had to go the complaint route as it was, for me, a way to have all my cases removed. I do not know the internal mechanisms but that Judge was never assigned to any new ones I had after that and I was from a VERY busy law firm with many cases. Good luck to you.
Very high burden. Got to have some serious evidence for it to even be considered. I can just assume 5:17 is a family court litigator – lol. Good luck to you
You don’t get on a recuse list unless you file a complaint (that may not do it either) or the Judge adds you because you are friends or have business relationship etc.
There is a way to accomplish this without resorting to the extreme remedy of a judicial complaint, or even the somewhat less extreme remedy of involving the Chief Judge.
A carefully worded letter to the judge asking for this relief might do the trick. Don't refer to any specific case or specific actions taken by the judge, don't criticize, and don't threaten or imply that further action(such as a judicial complaint) would be taken if the judge doesn't recuse, as the judge already knows that you are likely to proceed further if no recusal, so why antagonize the situation.
Again, include no specifics. Just refer to the professional relationship deteriorating to the point where an appearance of impropriety is a risk to be avoided. If you refer to specific alleged wrong doing, the judge cannot recuse from your cases while still saving face. They would be tacitly admitting to the wrongful actions alluded to in the letter if they recuse. Therefore, you have a dramatically better shot if you keep it real general, and the tone as civil as possible.
Then if that doesn't work you can decide whether you wish to turn the heat way up, and proceed further. Generally speaking, it's probably much better to pay the $450. than to pick this type of huge fight(reporting a judge) butt it is possible the facts may justify it.
I respectfully disagree with 8:46 for two reasons. 1) if the relationship has deteriorated then the Judge might use anything you say and mischaracterize it and use it against you. 2) Depending if you have friends or not at OBC, it could literally be defined as anything. Don’t believe me? Look at that recent appeal where the guy went to the emergency room and OBC is trying to say it unethically delayed a hearing. Or read that most recent voluminous appeal from he who cannot be named …
Are there any attorneys in town or retired judges they could go to for advice? If the only option is a complaint that is quite unfortunate. There should be a court ombudsman to address these issues informally without resorting to the formal complaint process.
YAY. Another bureaucrat to answer to.
Look at Millen v. District Court, 148 P.3d 694 (2006)
9:08- I don't know. I've practiced several decades and have seen the approach suggested by 8:46 actually work.. And when it didn't result in the recusal, there were no real repercussions, and the judge in fact treated the attorney fairly well from that point on. But instead jumping to reporting the judge to the commission is where the stakes are really, really high.
I am 20+ and would just pony up the $450 every time.
I always explain to my clients at the time of retention that there are a few judges that I do not recommend we take a case in front of and that the peremptory challenge is always a possibility. If we draw that judge in the "random assignment" then we will file the challenge and the costs will be billed against the retainer. If the client has already been served with papers and the judge is assigned, I inform them up front and build that expense into the retainer amount.
e.g. Total retainer of $5,450 or whatever it shakes out to be
Bruh. Taking a retainer of less than $10k is bad business.
OP, what a shady end run around a judge you don't like. What a wonderful "solution" to save you and your clients $450. How many cases are you filing where it has become such an issue? Lots of room for abuse, even if you are not abusing it, which you may be (I obviously don't know the circumstances of your situation, but it sounds a little fishy to me).