Job Tips: Holiday Parties

It’s that time of year again when the evening are abounding with holiday parties. One of our readers wants to know your thoughts on the best way to use those holiday parties to generate leads and work. Is it appropriate to talk shop at holiday parties? Do you have any tips or tricks? Any suggestions about which parties to attend when there are competing events?

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November 14, 2018 4:49 pm

If you somehow get an invite to Eglet's party, go. It's a wild scene.

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November 14, 2018 5:19 pm

I absolutely refuse to attend any event hosted by the entitled Eglets. I once agreed to go to a mediation with Tracy, who then tried to seal the deal by waving around a piece of paper listing all of her husband's jury verdicts. Her ploy was tacky, rather than persuasive.

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November 14, 2018 7:06 pm
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I'm not sure I even understand the ploy. I believe more details are necessary.

Since Bob Eglet was not a party to the matter, even though it was mediated by his wife, what was the relevance of her trumpeting her husband's jury verdicts? Perhaps if they were her own jury verdicts, and the point she was making is that she well knows the value of a case, so the participants had better accept her settlement suggestions.

I'm just not sure that it's an effective method for voluntary, non-binding, mediation. A better approach is to laser focus on the facts and law of the specific dispute before the mediator, and note the strong points as well as the risks, and indicate the time and costs associated with proceeding to trial, the percentage likelihood of a successful verdict, the probable monetary range of such successful verdict, and what additional likely costs which would come off the top along with the attorney fees if the matter did in fact resolve successfully in the predicted range.

When that analysis is presented(an opinion of likelihood of success, and then if successful what is the likely range of amounts and the additional likely costs to get to that point)that can be the starting point of a useful discussion, with each side weighing in as to their view as to each of those points stressed by the mediator.

And other factors should be discussed–such as the particular judge and the predilections they have as to certain evidentiary disputes, etc.

I'm not indicating that my above suggestions constitute the best proper method to conduct such a mediation, but I think it is at least a method of viable merit, along with other and better methods that hopefully someone will suggest.

But I bet none of these methods include waving around a paper documenting how great the mediator's spouse is.

Now that all being said, only the poster knows the entirety of what occurred in that room. Some people are pre-conditioned to believe the worst of the Eglets on account of their incredible success, what appears at times to be a somewhat ostentatious marketing and p.r. approach, etc.

Without taking up for Tracy Eglet could it be that the following is a more accurate picture of what occurred? She analyzed the facts and liability issues surrounding the dispute in question, offered her views of the likelihood of success, value range of the case if ultimately successful, and then offered and urged a settlement amount.
She then became frustrated with extensive argument about her views, and finally reminded everyone of her firm's success, which strongly suggests they can rely on her valuation of the case.

If that was demonstrated by waving around her husband's jury verdicts, agreed that such is a bit heavy-handed, possibly quite insulting to at least one participant, and such approach should really be avoided. Agree 100%. But the poster makes it sound that she did not really discuss or analyze the case before her, but merely jumped to the conclusion that they should accept whatever she suggests because look how great her husband's verdicts have been.

So, I ask again, is that REALLY how it played out, or is the poster cherry picking out one brief excerpt toward the end of the mediation.

I have never met or dealt with Tracy Eglet, so I can't answer that, and don't know what to believe, but the above poster can fill us in with the details if they wish.

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November 14, 2018 7:12 pm
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I venture to say that if you were on the other side of a mediation with any Eglet, you probably don't have to worry too much about attending their party.

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November 14, 2018 7:17 pm
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As 11:06 suggests, it can be safely assumed that she did attempt to mediate and analyze the case, and offer her views, before resorting to waving around her husband's verdicts.

But if she did in fact wave a piece of paper boasting of his verdicts, as an attempt to intimidate and railroad through a settlement, it should not have been done even if it was toward the conclusion of the mediation.

So, obviously 9:19 did not discuss everything that happened in the room, but only one occurrence, but if in fact it occurred, it should not have–regardless of where in the process it occurred, even if it was saved for the end.

Agree with 11:06 that if it occurred it could have been toward the end of the conference and a manifestation of frustration, but still no real excuse for this tactic, in my view.

No matter how frustrating a mediation can be, it is important not to resort to tactics that smack of arrogance, or puts the focus on how great the mediator's firm is, as opposed to the needs and problems of the parties.

Now that all said, this all assumes this actually happened the way it is portrayed. But if it did, it's a definite No No, IMO

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November 14, 2018 7:21 pm
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You are wayyyyy overthinking this. Verdicts come from trials, many people in the PI game could not try a case if their life depended on it. If everyone in the room knows that have and will try a case, settlement value goes up.

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November 14, 2018 7:37 pm
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@9:19 – are you saying Tracy was on the other side, or that Tracy was the mediator?

If she's on the other side, waving the verdicts around is still tacky, but at least it has some relevance. "We are going to win at trial – look at our record."

If she is the mediator, who gives a shit what her husband has done at trial.

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November 14, 2018 7:44 pm
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I understand 11:06's thought process about strategies for the conducting of a mediation, and while it may be correct for an analysis of a trial track or even a direct attorney-attorney negotiation. I do not believe that the analysis is the best way to approach a mediator facilitated mediation.

The most likely result on focusing on the factors outlined by 11:06 is triggering the confirmation bias of the recipient of those messages, causing them to to even more entrenched into the merits of their side while discounting any information that challenges those beliefs.

A more effective tactic, I believe, is to try to trigger the parties risk avoidance instinct. In terms of each party framing the issue as an investment decision. If it wasn't their individual case, would they invest their own money (in the amount offered and on the table by the other side) on the chance that they will do better (after all additional fees and costs subsequent to the offer).

For discussion with a plaintiff, that is a fairly straight forward discussion as they only need think in terms of the offer being money they have in the bank and can spend however they wish, now or in the future (kids college, retirement, future medical care, vacations, whatever is of value to them).

With defendants its a bit more difficult but similar. They have to think in terms of indemnification and costs to the finish line. Would they take the risk of paying all remaining costs, fees, and awarded damages for a single premium in the amount of plaintiffs demand. If they would require a higher premium to accept that risk than the rational decision is to accept the certainty of resolving the case for a lower premium (as represented by plaintiffs demand) than they would require to accept the risk of going forward with the litigation.

The points and considerations set forth by 11:06 are entirely valid for an analysis based on the law and probabilities of outcomes in the formal legal (adjudicatory based) system, but I believe the wrong model for a non-adjudicatory voluntary dispute resolution system. Risk avoidance instincts are far more powerful in mediation than in a formal litigation system where it is a far more zero sum gain situation.

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November 14, 2018 9:06 pm
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To:11:44–But the approach advocated by 11:06 actually has hallmarks of what you suggest. For example, in your third paragraph, where you discuss a risk avoidance feature, that seems to be fleshing out a lot of what 11:06 mentions, as opposed to being an entirely different approach. 11:06 discusses risk and likelihood of success, and if successful the likely financial range, as well as additional costs that need to be sunk into it all. So, the two approaches seem to have some of the same features.

I do understand that your approach more dramatically personalizes matters for the attorneys, and forces them to more effectively reflect on the long-term financial consequences and risks of their decisions.

Many attorneys are notoriously bad at analyzing future risks and expenses. They are simply convinced that their case is worth $125,000. or whatever, and they want to take no less. They have no concept that a case may have a potential likely value if it proceeds to trial and a wining verdict is obtained, but that it is worth substantially less for settlement purposes. For one thing, when sitting at the settlement table, many of the costs have not yet been shelled out. Plus, the somewhat lesser amount offered is guaranteed money, while the $125,000 they believe the case is worth, may not in fact be awarded by the jury(and, again, even if it is, those costs eat you alive).

As some excellent Plaintiff's trial lawyers will tell you, before deciding to take a case to trial, estimate what you believe the verdict should and would be and then divide that number in half. Then estimate what you initially believe the costs will be, and multiply that by three. Those adjusted numbers should then guide one more validly as to risk assessment.

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November 14, 2018 11:52 pm
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Bless your little hearts for putting so much time and effort into analyzing this matter. Eglets got to Eglet. Not a surprise. They are having a better Holiday Party than you and going home drunk to a nicer home than yours. If you really dislike them, drink their booze and eat their food. Revenge is a dish best served cold with a canapé for which you did not pay.

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November 15, 2018 12:08 am
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To:3:52. If you truly read what you are condemning, you never would have condemned it. True, that there were a few snippy, short posts about the Eglets. But the lengthy analytical posts you are condemning as being motivated by anti-Eglet envy, are almost exclusively devoted to discussing mediation techniques. And when they do make reference to a tactic T.Eglet supposedly used at a settlement, they fully acknowledge that we may not have been provided an accurate or complete picture of what occurred. Plus, the posts point out that the criticism of T.Eglet is likely motivated by jealousy and envy over the firm's great success.

So, you re essentially condemning those who agree with you and are making the same points–that the anti-Eglet approach is largely motivated by envy of those far less successful.

So, either you didn't really read the posts before condemning them(which is certainly an understandable oversight) or you are programmed to condemn and disagree with those who actually share your views(which is not understandable, and which is harmful).

So, how well do you perform in court if a judge, after pointing out the strengths of your case and argument, you tell the judge how wrong they are?

And the reason I am being harsh with you is because you could have merely pointed out that the anti-Eglet group is motivated by jealousy. That would be a point well-taken. But instead you made it very personal(far more personal than any remarks made about the Eglets on this thread)and you were very snide in your condemnation of such folks.

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November 15, 2018 5:47 pm
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4:08– No I read them all. If you read my post, I was not commenting on whether the posts are Anti-Eglet or Pro-Eglet. I was commenting on the fact that people have time to write five paragraph dissertations on the topics at hand instead of reading the actual posts that were subject to reply because the responses do not show any grasp of what was being allegedly refuted. But you might have missed that as you were vociferously planning your five paragraph retort.

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November 14, 2018 6:35 pm

But you have to dress in formal Victorian garb. Any of you have such an outfit handy?

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November 14, 2018 7:17 pm
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I got the invite, I will find the appropriate attire.

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November 14, 2018 7:47 pm

Getting to the question at hand– I don't try to drum up business at holiday social events. I just go and have a good time. I make sure to talk to lots of people and if they bring it up I will talk briefly about work, but mostly I think that talking shop at parties is off-putting.

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November 15, 2018 12:38 am
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This comment makes me wonder if you understand marketing at all (no offense). Going and having a good time while only BRIEFLY mentioning what you do IS marketing. When people need legal services in your niche they'll remember that good gal/dude they met at that party that one time.

There's nothing worse than attorneys who are so one dimensional and dead inside that all they can do is talk shop at social events. I feel sorry for them. Do things to build your ability to participate in the art of conversation. Read books. Attentively listen to others. Tease out what others in your conversation have in common with you and what is uniquely interesting about them. I am an awkward dork and even I know this stuff.

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November 15, 2018 7:22 pm

For some fun legal briefing regarding holiday parties see Case 2:17-cv-00439-APG-CWH, document #36