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As you may remember, back in January of this year, ADKT 545 was entered amending the EDCR. While the majority of the changes were meant to deal with last year’s changes to the NRCP, one change did away with language requiring suits, ties, and pantsuits. The revised rule states:
Rule 7.72. Courtroom Conduct and Attire. Proceedings in court should be conducted with dignity and decorum. All persons appearing in open court must be properly attired as befits the dignity of the court.
Now that it’s summer and we are in the middle of a pandemic, what kind of dress do you think satisfies this requirement? Are any of you wearing jackets for virtual appearances in the summer heat? What are women doing to meet this requirement? Now that court’s are opening back up again, will you be taking a different approach to your courtroom attire in light of this rule change?
There used to be a sign at the old Courthouse in the summer that jackets were optional. I am not certain that the new rule loosens the standards as opposed to just making it more subjective.
As for virtual appearances, I have a tie and suit jacket in my office that I put on to look presentable from the waist up for BlueJeans and then take off.
I have not put on a tie since February or early March. Perhaps one positive impact of COVID will be to finally put an end to this silly custom.
I once saw a couple of people in Court not dressed well. Defund all clothes manufacturers!! #Biden2020 #AOC2028 #TheOnlyThingThatAssuagesMyPainIsLootingShoes
Do any Pro Per litigants even own a shirt with a collar? Before the COVID "thing" the first floor looks like Wal-Mart.
Summer attire–my comment is I used to practice in Phoenix. All but one judge would follow the summer rule–jackets optional not needed in the awful 119 degree Phoenix summer heat. In Vegas, not so much. I see attorneys who sport their $3,000 suits wear them to Court in the summer. In fact, I have not seen attorneys without jackets. Occasionally you see Deputy DAs and PDs run over to court in just a shirt and tie. I bring my jacket but put in on a chair if I can. I hate getting sweated up in the summer. Incidentally, how is the elevator situation going to work when we are back in full swing?? The stairwell is tough with the heat and carrying files to the upper level. More importantly, how are they going to get jurors in this environment. Good luck with that.
As a boy from a hot humid climate I have been waiting for this moment…
The perfect summer court room attire, the return of the blue seer sucker suit.
(properly worn, requires black tie and black wing tips, or if you are from So. Cal. black loafers might work)
Eliminating suit and tie requirements, and replacing it with the very vague and subjective standard of "attire befitting the dignity of the court" suggests a lot of interesting possibilities. What if I believe the dignity that should be afforded a particular judge justifies that I can wear a chicken costume similar to the one Elton John wore in some concerts from the 70's?
Are you mockin' me, with that outfit?
Yes, it is mockery, but it is befitting mockery.
In that vein, clown costumes, dunce hats, fat cat with money falling out of pockets, neutered steer and straight jackets would be appropriate.
P.S. Moderators of this Blog: Could you please explain policy re providing "the wo/man" aka the establishment with posting data?
Mocking you? No judge, I'm not mocking you.
12:33 are you asking how to submit something–their addresses are on the side of the page under "submissions"
I want attorneys in black robes and wigs, it looks awesome on Rumpole of the Bailey…
Argghhhh……those wigs look so itchy; now, the robes and funky white cravat, that's something I can get behind
Betsey's bailiff went on me for having my sunglasses on my head. That made me laugh. I like the judges who will allow you to be on your phone. Get a life!
Just your average Jane or John lawyer here (self identifying today as a mostly normal nondescript person just trying to get by). Sunglasses on the head is not befitting a courtroom.
Unless you are Bruce Gale who manages to have more glasses on his head simultaneously than any human I have ever seen. Or Jerry Wiese who I saw appear with Croakies around his neck on a number of occasions when he was in private practice.
What is a croakie?
12:29: https://lmgtfy.com/?q=croakie
Croakies are hot.
Croakie
Definition
Attorneys who have died because of the constant BS of the court. They have croaked.
Alternate usage: A strap like device used to retain expensive sports sunglasses on the head or neck, commonly seen on persons sailing, skiing and mountain biking (and professional bass fisherman)
We need some organ music, please.
Or calliope music.
12:22 Speaking of Bruce Gale, he appeared to put very little money into his race yet finished only about one percentage point behind a another candidate in the race who spent a lot of money, campaigned real hard, had a gazillion street signs, etc.
There just seems to be no real rhyme or reason to it all. Unless the rhyme and reason is that Bruce is gaining traction and name-recognition based on his previous races. I know little or nothing about him as an attorney, but he seems to be better known than hundreds of attorneys in town who may be excellent lawyers.
Point being sometimes these so-called perennial candidates eventually get elected. There was a repeat candidate who finally won in Family Court, getting elected in his last go round by a large margin as by that time his name recognition may have built until it finally went through the roof. I forgot his name as I don't practice down there, but he's been there about 10 or 12 years.
So, before anyone laughs and get dismissive, one of these days these repeat candidates will pick the right race, and get lucky as the average voter will have seen their name so often that the consider the candidate to be the incumbent.
It could be Bruce Gale, or it could be this Robert Kurth or Craig Friedberg. If they keep running one or more of them will get elected. And they do keep running because they probably recognize how little attention voters pay to these races, and thus someone who appears on the ballot a lot will finally build the name recognition they need to get elected.
That said, I'm not directly supportive of any of those candidates, as I know nothing about them as attorneys–don't know if they are good, bad or in between. Only know them as repeat candidates.
I brought the monkey.
4:55, but although some of these perennial candidates may improve their percentages as they run more and more, do any of them ever actually get elected.
Who is the one in Family Court you reference?
This is not new. The late Gary redman ran many times before being elected. Bill henderson had signs made that simply said "Henderson for judge" and filed in every race (justice, Muni, District and Family" for many years.
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I have only appeared via telephone on blue jeans and was wearing pajamas.
I have appeared wearing a micro-bikini made of gold lame with suspenders and a sailor hat. As a big dude, I had to have the bottom velcroed to my back hair to keep the suit up. I could have sworn I saw a glint in Judge Potter's eye that approved.
Speedo and a light coat of oil. #truefreedom
I wear fatigues to court.
For men: 1) Suit coat, dress shirt, with or without tie, trousers and decent shoes (why so many bad shoes at RJC?); 2) Dress shirt, tie, trousers and shoes.
This is why the Oxford Comma is so important. Did you mean a suit with or without a tie, or a suit with or without a tie, trousers and decent shoes? If your built like me, don't choose the former…
OMG, you're, not your.
I'm so ashamed.
Is ADTK 560 proposing removal of 5 year rule?
Who knows, they (the Courts) are making it up as they go along.
Thank you for that, I had no idea that was pending. I think we should keep the 5-year rule. No reason to ditch it because of COVID19. This too shall pass, and then we will really wish we still had a 5-year rule.
Just enter another stay if it's really necessary. Better yet, let each district court manage it themselves. No need to change a statewide rule.
Add one year to any case that was filed before the first COVID order came out. Leave everything else at five.
I'm not gonna lie, I've worn some Blue Nike's with my blue suit to Court before. My work shoes had been giving me foot problems so I said screw it. Of course, the Nike's matched my suit and tie perfectly. I know some of you are gonna hate, but it is what it is. Who cares whats on my feet?
12:28 here. A good set of Nikes looks a heck of a lot better than some of the "dress" shoes I see people sporting. Maybe its just a pet peeve, but geez, wear a decent set of dress shoes.
The females can wear “hooker shoes.” If the Commission can’t prove they are inappropriate for a JP, then surely the Bar cannot find them inappropriate for an attorney. Gold lame speedo man that turned Potter on, might I suggest clear pumps with goldfish in the heals to round out your appropriate attire!
Great suggestions! I'm thinking banana hammock, Nike Airforce, and a Trump hat.
Bow tie and dress shoes…a la carte. But a black bow tie cuz it's formal. #sorryforthevisual
I only litigate commando. Post-Corona I might wear a loincloth though.
I'd say the Lloyd Christmas and Harry Dunne orange and blue leisure suits and top hats would be appropriate…
I wear a middle finger to some of the court rooms, because some of these judges are clowns.
preach
This is the post of the day. This is how I feel when I am front of the Nevada Supreme Court.
I dont wear pants in any telephonic hearing. I feel this is the proper attire.